Why are the Rockets persistent on bringing FVV back?

We will see the same threads every year now barring minor modifications.

 

Fair question to ask. Here is the market for FVV:
Udoka won’t coach this team without his hand picked QB running the show. That is FVV’s market. He currently is getting paid 44 million and hasn’t regressed from his original deal. He literally carried us on his back with Amen to game 7 of the playoffs. No agent worth his salt will take more than a 4 million dollar paycut under these circumstances. We should celebrate if they can somehow get FVV to take a 4mm/year paycut which he may do if we offer a longer term contract. 3 years 120mm should make both sides content.

 

There is one team with the ability and (possible) need to sign FVV to more than the MLE and that is Brooklyn. If his agent refuses to sign a 3/$60M deal with the Rockets with the threat of signing with another team, that’s fine. Pick up his option and deal him elsewhere. That’s where we have the leverage. They can’t bluff us. We know where the money is. If he wants to risk getting traded somewhere he has no control over, that’s his call.

The more worrying issue is whether Stone has that contingency plan in place. The Lopez fiasco shows that he does not always have his bases covered.

 

Wasting 40 mil a year on FVV with so many young players needing to be signed soon would be malpractice.

 

Social media has really cooked gen Z brains to the point they have ant level attention spans and worse memory.

until we have a ball handler who can take care of the ball up the half court and is able to land a pass in the post to Sengun we need Fred. Find a replacement and then we can talk. Amen is not a point guard yet. Maybe he can be after this season (I doubt) but for now his handle is about as good as Jalen’s and that means it’s bad.

 

His stats were down across the board except for minutes. That's not a great trend for a 40M dollar player. I would be disappointed if they couldn't work something out for ~25M a year. It's tillmans $ though.

 

Exactly. And it’s just not practical. There is no way Stone can have that as a viable option. With FVV at $44M, we will already be just over the luxury tax before we even find replacements for Adams, Tate and Uncle Jeff. A reduction of $4M doesn’t address even one of those positions.

Stone can’t be offering FVV anything outside of the $20s, and it really needs to be low $20s.

 

Honestly Dillon salary is a bit of an overpay.

3 teams have cap space

2 of those could pay him that much.

None of those teams are in the market for FVV.

Only a handful of teams can actually offer the full NT-MLE.

It's quite likely none of those teams might not make him that NT-MLE offer.

In that case, his best offer is likely the Roome exception which is $8,781,000.


The only reason for the Rockets to pay him a higher value is to have that contract to move in a trade.
The question for Stone is to pinpoint where his cost is maximized for him in a trade and the value to another team doesn't become negative.

 

You don't understand how this works at all. Fred has no choice if he wants a contract, if we don't pick up his option he either takes our offer or a lot less because no other teams can afford to pay him more. We have all the leverage, stop ranting because you've got it all entirely backwards, your argument only works if Fred had a PLAYER option, he have a TEAM option in reality. He can either take the offer or get paid nothing.

 

Great POA defense, low turnover ball handling and playmaking, extended spacing with the ability to get off deep 3’s quick.


He had a down shooting year. If he bounces back to career norms there are very few players in this league who provide the things he does at the level he does.

 

Agree. Nobody on this team has shown anything close to Fred's ability to quarterback. The IQ and poise level drops precipitously when he's off the court. Maybe Reed can become that guy, but he's certainly not there yet.

As for Amen: His impressive contributions off the ball are not a reason to put him on the ball. He'll have a stellar career playing with the right PG, not replacing the PG.

 

This is the wrong way to think about it. Shopping for FVV isn't like going to the grocery store and paying the price off the shelf. Comparing one player's salary to another based on your perceived value is basic.

For example, FVV is paid 45mm this year due to some particular circumstances that enabled them to overpay without any negative impact on the salary cap. Basically, they paid FVV that contract because they could, not because that's what he's worth. There was no negative impact to the team.

So you could let FVV walk. Does replacing with a young and unproven PG automatically make the team better?

Building an NBA team is about making compromises. That's pretty much true about anything, actually.

 

I think his 3rd year should be crucial, if his efficiency continues to drop or there is no definitive uptick .....then I would not object to any changes ......unless he is getting paid below 18 million.

For me it isn't just the money, FVV and his agency are looking for years......3 .....I think it would be best to pay him per year...2 is maximum.

 

Everyone seems to want the EVERYTHING PG in this league
Seems like SGs are after thoughts in the modern games

Rocket River

 

All I ask is don't outbid against yourself. And if you really love FVV, don't treat him like a warhorse. Talking to you, Ime.

 

Well, none of us will be in the room where it happens so we'll have no idea who they are bidding against. Deals get struck in the heat of the moment.

As I say that, given what's happening in the NBA these days with coaches and star players, ANYTHING seems to be possible at the drop of a dime. The unimaginable keeps happening.

Seems like the Rockets could agree to relocate to Greece as a condition of taking Giannis. Seriously. It's getting harder to be surprised these days. lol.

 

just tell me you aren’t a civil engineer