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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. dobro1229

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    Pretty much... and that video is pretty interesting. I had seen that prior. I think it really just boils down to efficiency in warfare. How can we inflict the most damage to our enemies at the lowest cost. Drones are a new reality, but probably bigger than that is cyber warfare, and the damage you can inflict in so many ways.

    Russia has done more with a few dozen online hacker incel nerds, bots, and trolls to damage the US than arguably a brigade of special forces trained soldiers dying in a blaze of glory every could in the past.
     
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  2. Kemahkeith

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    Maybe signal jamming would help?
     
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  3. Space Ghost

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    This has been happening for years. AI will circumvent jamming
     
  4. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Learned that a long time ago:
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  5. dmoneybangbang

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    Well… and then another AI will circumvent, circumventing the jamming
     
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  6. edwardc

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    I'm not sure what signal you're going to jam. These drones likely just had SIM cards that connected to local cellular networks (with the traffic naturally encrypted and routed appropriately to hide that it was coming from the Ukrainian military). With cellular and satellite internet connectivity, it's just difficult to monitor for this stuff.
     
  8. Kemahkeith

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    This is worrisome see what just went down in Russia.
    Really levels the playing field.
    Or maybe I'm overly worried.
     
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  9. Xerobull

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    I can't help but think that the weak link in drone defense will end up being humans. Given how much faster computers are and how fast drones can change directions, I can't see the average dude being able to keep up before getting killed.
     
  10. ROCKSS

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    The crazy part was they planned this for over a year (no leaks mind you) and then leveled 7 Billion dollars in damage to 32% of Russia's combat planes................and so far I have not heard of any casualties and no boots on the ground. Thats pretty bad ass................the bad part is Putin will attack some major city (Kiev) and kill innocents.
     
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  11. dmoneybangbang

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    Definitely a scary future with autonomous drones.
     
  12. Space Ghost

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    Let me tell you. You war mongers rejoice gleefully now that the clown Zelensky just shut down all chances of peace for a long long time. Its sickening people like yourself somehow think destroying 7 billion worth of equipment is worth the hundreds of thousands of more lives that will be lost.

    I dont think you're a bad person. I firmly believe you're incredibly stupid.
     
  13. No Worries

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    Putin does not want peace, yet you somehow think that this is Zelensky’s fault. It is sickening how people like you think that Putin can do no wrong.
     
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  14. Space Ghost

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    Its so bizarre that you believe the US or Europe will send men to fight Russia.
     
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    I don't know what will happen. But that isn't the only option when it comes to helping Ukraine turn back the invasion.
     
  16. No Worries

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    Non sequitur is non sequitur.

    Your original point was "if only Ukraine would stop fighting back, Russia can win and the war can be over", right?
     
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  17. Space Ghost

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    That is because you view Russia as an existential threat to the US. I do not view Russia as an enemy nor an ally but as any other country trying to do whats best for their own interest. Nor do I view Putin as the next Hitler. Further, nor do I view Ukraine as the next bastion of freedom or US democracy and instead as another corrupt eastern European country. I am not defending nor condoning Putins Russian aggression but instead clearly stating this is simply not our problem. Its Europes problem and they are too incompetent to figure it out themselves. Meanwhile people like you view Europe as the modern utopia when its also quickly becoming a failed state. So no, I don't care if Russia fully occupies Ukraine. Its not worth a million death especially when Ukraine is strongly leaning into conscription.
    You are very narrow minded and your type of thinking will eventually lead to tens to hundreds of thousands of American deaths. But thats ok to you because you're programmed to think this way. You place little value on human life but your own.
     
  18. No Worries

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    Non sequitur is non sequitur.

    My whole point in the last set of response to you is that ...

    Zelensky is not the problem here; Putin is. Putin start a war of aggression against his neighbor.

    FACT: Putin's stated goal was to take back Ukraine ... as a first step to rebuilding the USSR.
    You may not take Putin at his word, but Ukraine does ... as does Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway and Finland.

    FACT: This is an existential threat to NATO countries that have borders with Russia or that are close to Russian borders.
    You may disagree that Russia poses an existential threat to NATO countries, but NATO counties bordering Russia disagree.

    FACT: The US has NATO Article 5 obligations to come to the defense of other countries.
    You may want the US to walk away from NATO, but the US as of rn has not.

    Trump certainly would at a drop of a hat, but he has proven that he is profoundly bad at his job and would wait until Russia invades a NATO country and the bill goes due to then decide to not honor the US's NATO obligations.
     
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  19. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I think it's hilarious you trying to paint Democrats as war mongerers. These European countries are our allies. There is no condoning Putin only condemning. Ukraine has shown resolve, they are a Democracy, and it's morallly right that we aid them as long as they show resolve

    This isn't an Iraq situation, trying to create Democracy in a country that doesn't want it. That was war mongering
     
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  20. astros123

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    Lol Trump is openly saying Putin doesn't want peace nor is Trump even pushing him for peace but you morons on the right will continue with the, "zelensky wants war" bs even after yall claimed Trump would end the war



    Braindead trolls
     

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