It's difficult to trade him and would be difficult to replace him if we did. Also, Ime would beat Stone's ass and possibly hook up with his wife.
I agree with this, but if the Rockets do trade FVV....the Rockets have acquired a star going forward. Not a a former star rental like Durant. Ime would prefer to have better players. I see this opinion as being as unreasonable as those opinions that think it is easy to upgrade FVV when it will take a pick to move FVV at team option price, can't be signed and traded to teams over 1st apron, and the Rockets have early Bird rights to FVV (literally can't spend money on FVV on other players). Odds are the money that will be spent on FVV will be the best use of that money as they can't use it on other players without trading FRPs (which is only going to happen to facilitate acquiring a star that will be a Rocket for more than a year).
I don't see that there is a star PG currently available who would upgrade FVV. Maybe Darius Garland? I would trade FVV and a bunch of picks if that were an option. I don't see any other names being discussed who are clearly better than Fred though. I think swapping Jalen and some stuff for Durant and bringing back Fred on a reasonable contract makes sense in the short-term. Then, if a top-tier PG comes available next deadline or next off-season, it might be the right time to swap FVV and some picks for an upgrade. . I don't doubt that Ime would like better players but I also don't doubt that Ime values FVV more than Jalen Green at the moment. I don't think Ime cares about all the "he's only 23" excuses for Jalen. He saw Jalen fail in the playoffs and knows that Jalen is the reason we lost in the first-round.
i don't care if the rockets are worse for it (they aren't a championship level team anyways), i just want this guy off the team. i cannot stand his play style or Ime's obsession with him. I don't think i've ever disliked a player in a Rocket's uniform more.
14pts on 12FGA shooting 37% from the field and 35% from 3 doesn't seem that hard to replace for a point guard who can't even penetrate the paint
I'm hoping that we jettison FVV and give Green a VERY short leash next year. This also relies on Green not being option 1A or 1B going into the playoffs. FVV+#10, I don't personally think is quite enough for Durant. But I wouldn't add Cam or an unprotected first either. FVV+#10 plus a top 10 protected first is something that I think is fair. They could take Landale if they want to shed additional salary. Sengun/Adams Smith/Eason Durant/Brooks Green/Cam (maybe start Cam later in year) Amen/Reed
One of Jalen or Fred has to go. This starting backcourt won't get it done IMO And it's too expensive to justify
Agreed, but Fred is at least the reliable Honda Civic that still gets you around when you need it, even if the paint is faded. Jalen is the rice rocket with a giant wing that leaks oil and blows a turbo every time you drive it hard. That's what needs to be replaced, if you're being honest with yourself.
You actually have to include Landale to make it work. And almost every dollar that they use on Adams at that point exists in the Luxury Tax, so he becomes a pretty expensive player.
The Rockets GM won't do it because it would probably lead to a lot more loses NEXT season - but I would be happy going into next year without Green and FVV. They both had their moments, but I don't think they are all that good overall compared to the rest of the league. They don't really solve the spacing issues, they are not terribly efficient and while the effort is there defensively, they are both limited in that regard.
18.7 ppg and 43.5% from 3 on 8.9 attempts per game in the playoffs. One of the best defensive point guards in the game. Rarely turns the ball over. On-cout leadership on a team of young players. FVV is probably only a Rocket for another 2-3 years but I don't understand why he doesn't get any credit. We didn't go from 22 wins to 41 to 52 just because of Ime Udoka. FVV is a big part of our success.
I really don’t care about 3-4 playoff games. I agree he deserves the respect. Deserves every penny of this contract for uplifting the franchise. He help these boys grow. He did all he could in the playoffs while Jalen played like trash. I like Fred but he’s gridlocking development I’d rather let Amen / Reed take there swing but move Amen to point, put Jabari back in the starting line up, and adding a shooter like KD I think would solve a lot of spacing issues If it’s between Fred & KD, or Fred & the young guys, I’m shipping Fred out. KD is a clear upgrade over FVV and to want to keep FVV over young guys I think is crazy too
I think what's good for the development of our young players is to play on a winning team with a good mix of young talent and competent vets. I think Fred's fit on this team has a lot to do with his extension this summer. If he'll take a discount and go for 3-years, $60 million, it's in our interest to stick with him. If he wants 3 years, $100 million, I hope we move on. I'd rather trade Jalen than FVV in the Durant trade. I don't see that Amen is ready to run the offense. I didn't see much evidence this season that Reed Sheppard is an NBA rotation player. I'll be shocked if we trade FVV without acquiring a competent starting PG in the off-season. I think it's really unlikely.
He’s been god send for development. I say all this assuming we get KD for FVV. If we don’t make any moves it’s best to keep Fred. Nobody is ready to take on that big of a bite but I think with KDs presence we would be the same but likely elevated Fred’s best days are behind him. He was a FA over payed to be a baby sittier for a couple years. In no way do I think we should trade Jalen & Jabari or Jalen and whoever when Fred’s salary matches like a glove. Get KD. A true superstar. If Amen & Reed are incapable of running an offense, and Jalen doesn’t redeem himself, package up Reed /Jalen for a pg
What does FVV's next contract look like if he were to hit the open market as a FA? There are only 3 teams with more than $24m in cap space, only one above $40m and none of those teams are going to give FVV any of it. There are only a handful of teams that can use the NT-MLE and none of them need a point guard. If he were to hit the open market, I wonder if there's a team that would offer him more than the taxpayer MLE. There just isn't a whole lot of money to spend around the league this year. The era of super teams and teams with multiple max contracts is officially over. Players are going to have to really earn those max deals from now on.
Yep. His market is max 14.1M. If the Rockets pay anything more they are being stupid. He also stagnates our offense and is blocking the development of our young players, so there should be no emphasis on paying a premium for one of the bottom 10 starting pg’s in the league. He dominates our offense, plays 40m a game, and produces 5.6 assists a game with terrible shooting. People’s attachment to him is based on a 5 game losing streak when he got injured. We were actually 5-6 while he sat. Of course, there was going to be an adjustment when a 40m a game player sits and Jabari and Sengun both missed games during the same stretch of games. Re-signing FVV for anything other than a trade or as a backup PG is asinine and paying him more than he can get on the open market is worse than asinine.
