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Trump cuts threaten safety training for America’s most dangerous jobs

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  1. deb4rockets

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    Trump cuts threaten safety training for America’s most dangerous jobs

    Summary

    Some of America's most dangerous industries face cutbacks in worker safety training

    Fatal accident rate in fishing, logging and farming is seven times higher than U.S. overall

    Trump cuts to federal worker safety agency ripple through rural industries

    The nation's 442,000 fishing, farming and logging workers make up just a fraction of America's workforce, but they have the highest fatal injury rate of any U.S. occupation - 24.4 per 100,000 workers in 2023 or seven times the national average, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
    These workers do dangerous tasks from rural outposts where it might take hours to receive medical care. Fishermen risk falling overboard. Farmers and farmworkers could be crushed by equipment or contract bird flu. Loggers face chainsaws and falling limbs.

    "I have years of experience, but not dealing with emergencies," said Roberge, whose handling of the fire led to a successful rescue with no injuries. "I make it a point to be here."

    Such safety trainings - aimed at fishermen, loggers, farmers and other workers in America's most dangerous jobs - could be scaled back or wound down entirely as soon as July

    The loss of the trainings could put more burden on federal marine rescue services when fishermen face emergencies at sea, said John Roberts, an FPSS instructor who spent 31 years in the Coast Guard doing search and rescue.

    "The return on investment of the government is huge," he said. "If they give us this money to do this training, it’s going to lessen how much money has to be spent to rescue the untrained."

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...kers-americas-most-dangerous-jobs-2025-05-31/


    Trump's lack of concern about the safety of workers in this country is just plain negligence. Safety and training should always be top priority in any job, and especially dangerous ones. He has big plans for manufacturing, mining, and nuclear reactors, which is scary when the President is more than willing to put people at risk to save a buck. I wouldn't want to be in the vicinity of a nuclear reactor if a meltdown happens that could have been prevented with proper training, and safety inspections, or regulations because our President finds stuff like that a waste of government money.

    * But, we will have the biggest and bestest military parade, like Putin and Kim Jung Un, and there will be statues coming in the future. Gold ones! I want to be surrounded in gold, and live like a King.
     
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  2. Space Ghost

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    Oh noes! Hundreds of thousands of people are going to die due to the lack of safety training. What are we going to do?
     
  3. Amiga

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    Classic SG - can’t argue the point, so he tosses out a lazy strawman to protect his political team. Nobody claimed mass death overnight, but gutting safety training in high-risk jobs obviously increases preventable injuries and deaths over time.

    And here's the part you'd think any competent government would care about: prevention is cost-effective. Time and again, it’s been shown that investing in safety upfront saves money, lives, and lawsuits. But I guess if it’s your side doing it, then prep and prevention suddenly don’t matter. By that logic, you might as well stop exercising and eating well too - it’s all the same ‘alarmism,’ right?
     
  4. Space Ghost

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    There is no point to argue. OP c/p's every silly over sensationalist article.

    Meanwhile, you're over here talking about competent governments when Biden has been nearly completely absent and his administration was forging his signature on who knows how many documents.

    The difference between you and I is that I know that Trump/Republicans are garbage while you continue to worship and admire your team, still pretending to this day that your team is that last front to truth and freedom and to making the world a perfect place. Trump shamelessly parades his nonsense while Democrats hide in the shadows like filthy rats doing who knows what.
     
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    You clearly don’t even realize how hard you’re projecting. You accuse me of team worship while you bend over backward to defend your side - even when it means embracing conspiracy theories and pretending Biden’s signature is some deep-state forgery scandal. If you’re not here to debate, then why are you constantly spinning for your team and attacking the other? Just admit you hate one side so much that it short-circuits any honest thinking. That’s what’s actually driving your takes.
     
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    You do know he's no longer the President, right?
     
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  7. Space Ghost

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    What exactly did I defend? Im pretty sure I said Trump is garbage and a terrible leader. I dont think I have ever seen you speak out consistantly against the Democrat party, and as I said, you keep pretending your party has moral authority.

    What I am telling you and your like kind is stop being NPC and regurgitating sensationalist stories. Did you ever stop to think that maybe there is waste that should be cut? of course not. Because in your eyes, the last thing the government is ever culpable of is waste and inefficiency ... unless its a Republican bill.
     
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    Average annual deaths in the US:

    Cattle: 20
    Horses: 710
    Pigs (feral): 170
    Snakes: 5
    Lizards: 6
    Ladders: 300
    Sharks: 3
     
  9. deb4rockets

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    You don't care about the government putting people and workers in dangerous jobs at more risk by cutting support? What do you do for a living?

    Your scoffing at safety training puzzles me. It's no secret that safety training, research, and workplace inspections all help minimize accidents and saves lives.
     
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  10. Space Ghost

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    you have no idea what is being cut. All you do is litter the forum with sensationalism new threads with no nuance
     
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    I already know what you think of me, and honestly don't care.

    Now, why don't you discuss the actual topic here.
    Why are you supporting putting workers at more risk, and why does this topic make you feel a need to minimize the importance of workers safety? What do you do for a living?

    Too many workers die on the job every year. Trump’s attacks on OSHA will kill more.

    Earlier this month, MSHA announced it would pause enforcement of a new silica rule that would have halved allowable levels of exposure to silica dust—an extremely toxic dust that is a major cause of deadly black lung disease among coal miners. The Department of Labor had estimated the new rule would result in nearly 1,100 fewer deaths and 3,750 fewer cases of silica-related illnesses.

    This Workers Memorial Day marked the 54th anniversary of the Occupational Safety and Health (OSH) Act taking effect, enshrining into law the basic guarantee that workplaces should be “free from recognized hazards that could cause death or serious physical harm to employees.” OSHA’s existence has since become fundamental to the health and safety of workers across the country.

    The administration’s damaging actions include:

    Effectively eliminating the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), the sole agency responsible for research that informs OSHA policymaking with evidence-based assessments of injury and fatality risks and actionable guidance for employers to use to improve safety.

    Closing down 11 OSHA offices in states with the highest workplace fatality rates;
    eliminating 34 offices of the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA), which protects coal miners from hazards like black lung disease.

    Pausing a new rule on silica exposure to prevent coal miner disease and death from silicosis;
    allowing Musk to access sensitive OSHA data that could compromise ongoing investigations of alleged violations (including analysis of hazards that caused fatalities) and increase the risk of retaliation against injured workers and whistleblowers.

    The Trump administration is also expected to block a critical new OSHA standard on extreme heat exposure. Last August, following years of worker advocacy and NIOSH research, OSHA proposed a federal heat standard that would ensure both indoor and outdoor workers had access to paid rest breaks, cool water, and time to acclimate to extreme temperatures. This regulation would have protected an estimated 36 million workers and prevented thousands of heat-related injuries and illnesses a year.

    While states have the option to adopt their own heat standards, far too few states have done so. Further underscoring the acute need for a federal standard to cover workers across the country, two of the hottest states in the country—Texas and Florida—have failed to enact state heat standards, and they have even taken the extra step of blocking localities from adopting heat standards.

    https://www.epi.org/blog/too-many-w...y-year-trumps-attacks-on-osha-will-kill-more/
     
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    I have explained this to you before. Every organization affiliated/funded/whatever by the US government has some form of waste.... thats before we get into the fraud and abuse, which is irrelevant to this conversation. There is a sizable amount of spending that exists for the sole purpose of 'creating' jobs. A sizable portion of my company's revenue comes from selling good's marked up between 3x to 5x to SBA's who then turn and add their markup. This is how we end up with $500 hammers. This is all waste even if I am profiting. So when you keep posting these nonsensical sensationalist threads with zero nuance, I know on the back end there is plenty of room for cuts everywhere. It literally exists eveyrwhere in the federal government.
    In contrast, our company used to do work with state and counties but there is no money there. They have actual budgets that force their administrations to bid for the best product for their budget. This is the way it should be for the federal government.

    I really don't care anymore. Our country is long past the ability to steer the titanic to safety. The Trump administration is going the same way as the Biden administration. The inevitable will happen. Good luck to you fools who continue to squabble on your race to the bottom over who is morally superior.
     
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    Related in ways the usual ghostly suspects would not understand...

    World Scientists Look Elsewhere as U.S. Labs Stagger Under Trump Cuts
    For decades, Bangalore, India, has been an incubator for scientific talent, sending newly minted Ph.D.s around the world to do groundbreaking research. In an ordinary year, many aim their sights at labs in the United States.

    “These are our students, and we want them to go and do something amazing,” said a professor at the National Center for Biological Sciences in Bangalore, Raj Ladher.

    But this is not an ordinary year.

    When Professor Ladher queried some 30 graduates in the city recently about their plans, only one had certain employment in the United States. For many of the others, the political turmoil in Washington has dried up job opportunities in what Professor Ladher calls “the best research ecosystem in the world.” Some decided they would now rather take their skills elsewhere, including Austria, Japan and Australia, while others opted to stay in India.

    As the Trump administration moves with abandon to deny visas, expel foreign students and slash spending on research, scientists in the United States are becoming increasingly alarmed. The global supremacy that the United States has long enjoyed in health, biology, the physical sciences and other fields, they warn, may be coming to an end.

    moving to block any international students at all from attending Harvard, and more than $3 billion in research grants to the university were terminated or paused. At Johns Hopkins University, a bastion of scientific research, officials announced the layoffs of more than 2,000 people after losing $800 million in government grants. An analysis by The New York Times found that the National Science Foundation, the world’s pre-eminent funding agency in the physical sciences, has been issuing financing for new grants at its slowest rate since at least 1990.

    It is not merely a matter of the American scientific community losing power or prestige.

    Dirk Brockmann, a biology and physics professor in Germany, warned that there were much broader implications. The acceptance of risk and seemingly crazy leaps of inspiration woven into American attitudes, he said, help produce a research environment that nowhere else can quite match. The result has been decades of innovation, economic growth and military advances.

    “There is something very deep in the culture that makes it very special,” said Professor Brockmann, who once taught at Northwestern. “It’s almost like a magical ingredient.”

    Scientists believe that some of the international talent that has long helped drive the U.S. research engine may land elsewhere. Many foreign governments, from France to Australia, have also started openly courting American scientists.

    But because the United States has led the field for so long, there is deep concern that research globally will suffer.

    “For many areas, the U.S. is absolutely the crucial partner,” said Wim Leemans, the director of the accelerator division at DESY, a research center in Germany, and a professor at the University of Hamburg.

    Professor Leemans, who is an American and Belgian citizen and spent 34 years in the United States, said that in areas like medical research and climate monitoring, the rest of the world would be hard pressed to compensate for the loss of American leadership.

    Science, the Endless Frontier,” it was called, and among its arguments was that the country would gain more by sharing information, including bringing in foreign scientists even if they might one day leave, than by trying to protect discoveries that would be made elsewhere anyway.

    The blueprint helped drive the postwar scientific dominance of the United States, said Cole Donovan, an international technology adviser in the Biden White House. “Much of U.S. power and influence is derived from our science and technology supremacy,” he said.

    Now the United States is taking in the welcome mat.

    Professor Brockmann, who studies complex systems at the Dresden University of Technology, was once planning to return to Northwestern to give a keynote presentation in June. It was to be part of a family trip to the United States; his children once lived in Evanston, Ill., where he taught at the university from 2008 to 2013.

    He canceled the talk after the Foreign Ministry issued new guidance on travel to the United States following the detention of German tourists at the American border. That warning he said, “was kind of a signal to me: I don’t feel safe.”


    Mr. Donovan said it was too early to tell whether Europe, say, or China could take over an international leadership role in science. Professor Ladher, the Bangalore researcher, said that so far, Europe has been taking up some of the slack in hiring his graduates.

    “Austria has become a huge destination for many of our students,” he said.
    In Bangalore, one graduate student who is waiting to defend her doctoral thesis on cell signaling and cancer, said it was widely believed in India that U.S. labs were unlikely to hire many international students this year. That has led many of her colleagues to look elsewhere, said the student, who asked not to be named because she still planned to apply for positions in the United States and did not want to hurt her chances.

    The American scientific community, she said, has long been revered abroad.

    “It is sad to see that the hero is coming down from the pedestal,” she said.
     
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    What do you do for a living?

    There are ways to investigate overspending or fraud without taking a wrecking ball to everything. Cutting worker protections in mines and other hazardous jobs, and gutting government funding to agencies that provide crucial safety training in an effort to minimize accidents, illnesses, and deaths in high risk jobs is just stupid and negligent. So no, it's not a nonsensical sensationalist thread with zero nuance.

    You say you don't care anymore, so maybe just sit this one out, instead of jumping in a thread to trash the opinions of those who care about things you don't.
     
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    I am not shocked OSHA and regulatory agencies is in the cross hairs; it was in Project 2025. Our company deals in a ton of regulations as we make drugs and are regulated by several agencies, those safeguards are there to eliminate people/companies from making "knock off" drugs with black market. The regulations suck at times but without them black market drugs would flood the market...............only an idiot would cut agencies designed to protect all of us...................can they do a better job, hell yes, but you don't cut your nose off to spite your face
     
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    Woooooooo!!!! Ride the lightning mother****ers!!!!

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    WE DONT NEED NO WATER LET THE MOTHER**** BURN!!!
     
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