Nets could look to package Cam Johnson in a trade to acquire a 2nd lottery pick, per NY Post

Exactly. I just don’t see the love affair with this guy. He shoots good from 3 and does virtually nothing else. At least, Dillon plays defense. If you are dying to replace Jalen then go get a SG, not a SF that doesn’t even shoot as well from 3 as the one you already have. If you want him as a bench piece by trading some highly protected pick, then fine.

 

Other than the fact that he's twice the player Brooks is and 3 times the player Jalen is, no reason.

If we get him to pain his fingernails will you like him more?

 

Rockets could realistically get Zion and lamelo instead of Giannis.

 

Why are you comparing him to Jalen, other than your obsession. He is not a SG. He is a small forward. He MAY me a better offensive player than Dillon who I’m not crazy about, but twice as good an overall player is exaggerating just to troll.

 

I still can't believe that people today don't understand the significance of good 3-point
shooters being the difference between
facilitators being efficient or not efficient on offense.

Rockets shut down a Utah Donovan Mitchell while Cleveland Donovan Mitchell is much harder to stop while surrounded by shooters.

Some people are just clueless to the importance
of 3-point shooting to todays NBA game/player.

Jalen being good or bad on offense can be all about the shooters around him in 4 years he hasn't had them

 

I was responding to a post that talked about Brooks and Jalen in reference to why actual Rockets fans would want Cam Johnson.

You struggling to remember what you posted? Lol.

So to help you out yet again, actual Rockets fans would want Cam Johnson because he's twice the player Dillon Brooks is overall and three times the player Jalen is overall.

I don't care who technically plays what position.

 

You’re way over estimating Cam Johnson and under estimating Jalen’s trade value. Your I’m always right and you are always wrong response to everyone on the board is irritating. It’s why you are so widely hated. I’ve watched virtually every Rocket game since 1987, I’d say I qualify as an actual Rockets fan.

 

I know you think that your subjective eye test is more accurate than objective reality, but i think most would disagree with you.

As to me always being right, of course I'm not ALWAYS right, I'm just very often right because I ground my eye test and my opinions in fact.... so most of the time people like you aren't arguing against my opinion, you're arguing against objective reality.

Every metric that exists has Cam Johnson overall over both Brooks and Jalen... this isn't some opinion based on cherry picked numbers... there's literally nothing that supports your conclusion..... well, other than your "trust me bro"

 

I don't think the goal is to get Cam Johnson at all costs, he's definitely not worth that, so the idea of trading him for 10, fine cool, that makes sense...

But do you trade Jalen and throw him in along with the deal? I wouldn't do that, Cam Johnson isn't worth that, and like I said many a times, I'd hate to be the team that trades away a player only to see said player explode on another team (happens a lot) and we're sitting here going "Well, why did we trade that guy again? Oh, that's right, for a veteran bench player."

Doing that for the 10 makes sense, since whoever we draft at ten is likely going to be a bench player.

But I will stress this, The Rockets do not need to be desperate, a lot of the trades I see suggested make it seem like we're some desperate team trying to squeeze what we can out of one last run. We're not the Warriors or Bucks, we're a young team with a core of players 25 and younger. We don't have to rush into selling the farm for win now players unless, for example, Anthony Edwards demands a trade this offseason or something. Then yeah, you trade Jalen, #10, Whitmore, Bari, whoever you can to pair Ant along with Amen and eat good for a decade hopefully.

BUT this is why right now, you hang on to assets as long as you can. If the trade you make isn't going to make you a championship team, then why do it? Cam doesn't transform us into a contender, so the assets going out should be as minimal as possible.

 

Why do you respond to him? I didn’t even have to unhide it to know who you are talking about. He is a narcissist who adds nothing of value to the board because he is incapable of any actual reflection. Not worth anyone’s time.

 

Since all he does is shoot 3’s and his sub-par at everything else, you would think 3P% would be better than the guy he is twice as good as, but alas, Dillon had the better 3p% and 10 out 10 coaches would say he is a better defensive player.

 

I haven’t watched him since he was traded from Suns but he had a solid 3 pt shot and defense. Not sure what he is today but he avg 18 pts.

 

I dont see how Cam Johnson would be a major upgrade. You get a better shooter/scorer but get worse on rebounding and defensively. Thats like 1 step forward and 2 steps back. You can argue he provides the shooting we need and the others can help on defense but we are losing on assets on what seems to me like a lateral move.

Who will Cam Johnson start over? Amen? Jabari? Tari? Dillon? All those guys are better overall than Cam Johnson. If CJ can play guard we can replace Jalen with him but since he cant do that not sure why we are trading assets for a bench player.

And we even lose the no 10 pick which could get us a nice talent on a cheap contract? Seems like a bad idea.

 

I recently took off all my ignores. A couple I’m ready to put back on. BTG every once in a while says something worth while and I generally don’t let guys on the internet get under my skin, so at least I can get my ideas out there. BTG also is so prolific when Jalen is playing bad it makes some of the threads hard to read.

 

I want Jalen out of here and I wouldnt even trade him AND 10 for just Cam Johnson.

I think Jalen is destined to be average at best but at this point in time he has some value because of his perceived upside. Especially for a team like Brooklyn.

 

A bad Jalen game is like lighting the batman signal. You can always count on @Bobbythegreat to show up. I give him credit though. He was calling Jalen ass way before it was popular to.

 

He might be the same archetype, but he actually produces. People are so quick to dismiss players because they don’t play defense. Nobody on this team played defense before Ime got here. Get proven offensive players and let them fit into the team defense.

 

Can you elaborate on this "renting out their cap space" strategy? If you don't mind, can you lay out the mechanics of a KD trade that utilizes this strategy?

Thanks!

 

I see alot of people wanting Cam, but we already have a huge log jam at the wing spots.

imo what we really need is Jalen Green to be better and consistent (a hard ask) or find someone better to replace him.

I still think our primary goal should be a star scoring guard.

 

This will be my last post on Cam Johnson for a while but the idea is that you would be substituting Cam Johnson for Jalen Green then bringing another guard who could backup both Fred and play some minutes at the 2. Trading Jalen for Cam Johnson and extending FVV should open enough space to use our full-MLE. Amen would also then be playing some at the 2. His defensive versatility gives us a lot of flexibility. I want to see Amen function more as a primary creator.

Cam Johnson is not a primary creator but is really good off dribble handoffs and can effectively take a few dribbles and make good good passes compared to Dillon and Jabari. I'd also prefer Jabari play more minutes at the 5 as this would further improve spacing.

Even if we couldn't acquire another guard, I still think Jalen for Cam Johnson upgrades our overall talent. It would all work better though with another capable guard who can shoot like Ty Jerome.

We'd see how Amen and Alpi look with better shooting around them. I also want to see Amen function more as the primary creator. Amen maps the game so much better than Jalen defensively. I think he's just a much smarter player and with an improved handle and more opportunities, could ultimately be a superior primary creator than Jalen in a few years. Amen's shooting has already improved markedly and it's clear he works hard to improve. I declare that Amen improved offensively more in his one off-season than Jalen has in his 3 off-seasons here. I trust in Amen's future development more than Jalen's.

Our biggest liability in the playoffs was Jalen Green. We would have beaten the Warriors if Jalen were even a league-average starter.

I'm tired of betting on Jalen Green.