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[Official] Federal workforce reduction thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 13, 2025.

  1. Reeko

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    yet another L for the Trump admin
     
  2. ThatBoyNick

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    Watch the vast majority of workers get reinstated with this fiasco net wasting money with the disruption of work lol

    Whats the current data on the numbers of fired workers
     
  3. Amiga

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    The yo-yoing administration, where mass federal employee firings and tariff swing up and down, bouncing like a toy.

    https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2...st-fired-probationary-federal-workers/403721/

    The reinstatements are to take immediate effect, Judge William Alsup of the U.S. District Court for Northern California said when issuing his preliminary injunction from the bench, and agencies were directed not to make any excuse for delaying the rehirings. Roughly 24,000 federal employees in their probationary periods—typically those hired within the last one or two years, whom agencies can quickly fire for cause—will regain their jobs as a result of the decision, according to figures compiled by Government Executive.

    The order impacts all fired probationary staff from the departments of Veterans Affairs, Agriculture, Defense, Energy, Interior and Treasury. Alsup said he may extend the injunction to other agencies in the future, as the American Federation of Government Employees and the other groups that brought the lawsuit are seeking.

    The judge made clear the Trump administration, like any other, can engage in mass reductions of the federal workforce, but it must do so by following federal statutes and the Constitution. The Office of Personnel Management directed agencies to carry out the firings, Alsup concluded, which he said circumvented those established procedures.

    He added that OPM provided a template for federal agencies to use as termination letters for the impacted staff, which suggested employees were being fired for poor performance. He cited an example of an earth science employee at the Agriculture Department being fired after receiving only outstanding performance reviews in explaining that OPM, and the Justice Department lawyers arguing the case, were being dishonest in making that assertion.

    “The reason that OPM had wanted to put this based on performance was at least in my view a gimmick to avoid the [RIF laws],” the judge said.

    He added: "It’s a sad, sad day when our government would fire a good employee and say it’s based on performance when they know good and well that is based on a lie."
     
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  4. Kemahkeith

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    Who knows at this point.
    Between this and tariffs there has been more
    yo-yoIng that Oprah's weight.
     
  5. mtbrays

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    Much government efficient. How department of.
     
  6. ThatBoyNick

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    Well it's a good thing that we have "The Most Transparent Administration in History!" that is "maximally transparent". We'll figure out soon enough.

    A comprehensive look at DOGE’s firings and layoffs so far

    Also, obligatory
     
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  7. mvpcrossxover

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    If the manager doesn't know what his team/employees are doing, that's on the manager. If you can't see who the bad/lazy employees are, then you shouldn't be a manager.

    If you think people are going to read all those daily/weekly report email, think again. Ain't nobody got time for that.

    Whatever Elon and DOGE is doing is someone on a power trip.
     
  8. rimrocker

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    Since 1861, the State Department has published over 450 volumes of the Foreign Relations of the United States series. If you haven't heard of it, a group of historians work their way through declassified docs and pick the most important ones to be published in the series. This is done under federal law, as Congress wanted an accounting of the foreign affairs efforts of Lincoln. Since then, the law has been amended a few times to include requirements that documents from all agencies involved in foreign relations are considered and establishing a committee of historians to make sure the editions are unbiased and as close to a true accounting as possible.

    Specifically, the 1925 amendment requires: "...that the editing of records selected for inclusion in the series shall be guided by the principles of historical objectivity and accuracy; that records should not be altered or deletions made without indicating in the published text that a deletion has been made; that the published record should omit no facts that were of major importance in reaching a decision; and that nothing should be omitted for the purposes of concealing a defect in policy."

    It's a key resource for historians and has been praised throughout the world as an example of how democracies should document their key decisions, good and bad. Currently, most of the work is centered around the Reagan administration, as the 30-year declassification standard permits publication of many of those documents. You can check here to see which volumes are in development: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/status-of-the-series

    Trump just fired every member of the commission.

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    I doubt the series will continue mush longer. The last thing these guys want is accountability, even if it comes 30-50 years later and is delivered by historians.
     
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  9. Amiga

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    Hurricane season starts next week.

    Federal job cuts will lead to less effective forecasts, experts say | khou.com

    Among the panelists were former NOAA Administrator Dr. Rick Spinrad, Space City Weather meteorologist Eric Berger and Harris County Emergency Management Coordinator Mark Sloan. All three expressed serious concerns over the nation’s storm readiness.

    According to Dr. Spinrad, the NWS is currently operating with 30% fewer staff than normal. That includes approximately 500 employees lost to early or forced retirements and another 700 vacancies left unfilled due to a federal hiring freeze.

    Spinrad also noted that 30 of the 122 NWS forecast offices across the country currently have no meteorologist in charge, including the League City office, which serves the Greater Houston area. That office alone is missing nearly half of its forecast staff.

    He went on to say fewer meteorologists means fewer radar technicians, fewer weather balloons and less atmospheric data to track developing storms — ultimately leading to wider margins of error in forecasting.

    "This year, because we have fewer people and a higher probability of not being able to collect the data, what will happen, I believe, we will see degraded quality forecasts," said Dr. Rick Spinrad. "They will most likely still be delivered on time, but the error bar — the cone of uncertainty — and the track forecast and intensity forecast will have to be larger."

    That larger "cone of uncertainty," he said, means more guesswork in determining where a storm might make landfall, which could delay critical decisions such as evacuations or flood preparations.
     
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    Well, the administration first admits their callous indifference and stupidity by trying to quickly hire 120 NWS positions before hurricanes get spun up and now the US Forest Service is "allowing" those with fire qualifications who got pushed out to come back and work on wildfire incidents. But only until September 30--even though we expect to have large fires on the landscape through November. One buddy said it will be like the rapture. You pop out of your tent on the morning of Oct 1 and people will just be gone. (They will also likely be making less while on a fire than they would have if still employed and no, it's not a cost savings because the cost of mobilizing those folks will be higher as will the associated admin costs.) Something similar will probably happen with FEMA as soon as the first hurricane hits.

    Absolute clown show. We are intentionally underprepared, understaffed, underfunded, and under-supported for both hurricanes and fires.
     

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