We need to trade Sengun while his value is at its highest

Brunson to me is a poor man's Harden. Not as skilled with the handling, passing and offensive moves. Doesn't have the first burst off the dribble Harden had in his prime. Similar to Harden he has strength driving to the paint and very crafty in drawing fouls and great awareness on offense. Defensively he isn't good. I don't believe he is a top 10 guy but definitely top 15-20.

 

Yes Embiid in 2019.

 

The biggest problem is they don't have a scorer, especially a efficient one. If Giannis doesn't meet the timeline, then tell my why 2 of the starting 5 getting major minutes are 31 and 29? Who 30 yrs old playing big minutes for okc?

 

Yes cuz OKC ownership is historically cheap. They won't be able to max all their players and they will fall off.

 

why do you limit such a criteria? you can trade for a current star or future star, in the trade market, free agent market, or in the draft.
Harden/Hali./SGA/ fits that bill, if you talking about last decade. Historically much more.
Celtics traded Fultz for Tatum plus a future pick. Kobe/Luka/...

if you talking about players got traded before they become All Stars, there's Kyle Lowry, Lauri Markkanen, Nikola Vucevic, Jarrett Allen, Mike Conley, Dragic, ...
Dyson Daniels was selected All Defensive first team (2nd place DPOY), he got potential too.

there's also players like Jimmy Butler and Donovan Mitchell, who were all stars on their original team but turned into MVP level player after being traded.

I was not saying Rafael Stone has to pull a trade like this, just replying the previous post that it's "possible" but Rafael might not be that one

 

They're not cheap, they had Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka making max type money. They just chose Ibaka over Harden. If they win a championship, which it looks like they will, then what. You acting like Rockets don't play margins.

 

Ibaka over Harden looked like the right choice at the time. No one could have guessed that Harden would become a superstar. I doubt even Morey knew what exactly he was getting in Harden. Ibaka was a better fit with Westbrook and KD. His fall-off was a surprise, but at his peak he was a hell of a player. You could blame OKC however for taking a trade package centered around Kevin Martin, and I liked Martin with the Rockets. Reminds me of Lavine in the sense that he puts up really efficient numbers and yet he does not have a great impact on winning.

 

My whole point was that they picked. True lasting dynasties wouldn't have picked and woulda have paid them all. The rockets are cheap too but we don't actually have a type a super star yet so it doesn't matter who we lose at the moment.

We have barely anyone that made all star team and no one who made all nba. Which means the salaries we give out to our players will be significantly less than what OKC will have to pay SGA and Jalen Williams

I just don't see how Giannis FVV Jalen Amen Tari/Bari is a championship team...

We would need Amen to vastly improve which doesn't fit Giannis timeline.

 

I actually remember when we got Harden and how people thought he was going to be good, and then he exploded pretty much immediately and shocked the whole league/put them on notice. Pretty much made Morey's career if we're being honest and based on the rest of his career he's very very lucky OKC made the wrong choice.

 

Pretty much any good GM, you can just say that one lucky move made their career. Bob myers is nothing without curry falling to them, Ujiri is nothing without the spurs being absolute morons when it came to the Kawhi trade, etc.

 

Yeah, it's just that Morey hasn't really done anything else other than luck out into Harden. He's damn lucky Beard is genuinely one of the absolute most talented, creative and unstoppable players ever, because he made Morey look way better than the rest of his career and his results would suggest.

 

Ya that's the same as the other 2 guys, or most other GMs. I know some people here hate Morey because he's a "nerd" and people hate math/nerds, obviously i think he's great though. He's made a lot of awesome draft picks though compared to other guys.

 

I can't explain why FVV played soo much. Dillon's role got drastically reduced. I woulda much rather have seen more Reed and Tari:Jabari.

 

Not really true at all.

When he was younger he was able to fleece teams in terms of pick swaps and was a pretty decent drafter, despite not having high picks - also was at the vanguard of the "paint & 3's" approach, 3 &D's etc - these were all the things the Rockets tried to do *before* they got Harden, and that Harden enabled them to do at a much higher level.

Also the whole league generally moving in this direction should tell you something. Ironically now that every team has jumped on board the analytics train the value of having a Daryl Morey is way less than it was.

 

Morey was aggressive trying to put the organization in the championship conversation, but didn’t quite get there. Adding Dwight Howard, adding Chris Paul. Even swinging for the fences on Russ. Seems like opinions are divided on Morey here, but I appreciated his time w/ the franchise

 

The Curry pick wasn't as clear as now. Not to mention to trade Monte as well as finding Green in the 2nd rd was pretty good.

 

Whatever you want to say, but FVV won a couple of playoff games and was key to the one in Toronto and Brooks was their best outside shooter on a good deal

 

Did you see the jump Amen took from rookie yr to this year? He's going to be a star next year. He is a really savvy player for someone so young.

 

I mean the wolves were crucified for passing on curry when it happened so it was as clear as possible. Monte was trash, trading his was a no brainer but definitely a good move (yes fans are morons and hated it at the time, i thought it was a great trade). Green is a good pick, mostly luck but ya.

 

You missed my point. I don't care how many games Fred and Brooks won us, it doesn't help us in the long run. We were not true contenders this year. I woulda been fine if we just developed our young guys and missed the playoffs getting to second seed and losing in the first round is useless