Who would you rather have a 3 pt Shooting Sengun or Giannis?

I really don't understand why you like to regurgitate discussions that are going to have the same sequence of posts as always but I'm not going to indulge it. Like a thousand people rained down on you about your use of offensive/defensive rating as well as the difference between the pace of the game and the pace stat.

We hide Sengun in this defense and we have never had to hide Jalen under Udoka. That's a fact. You don't have data for how each fared under different pace. Sengun is our rim protector who gets deflections incidentally and you know exactly how that affects the data but you want to start a disingenuous debate anyway.

I'm good. You've made your point and I've shared my point without cherry picking data that suits my argument and I'm comfortable with that. Thanks.

 

It's WAY too early in the day for narcotic abuse.

 

Is it, though?

 

Yup. That's why we play drop coverage when it suits him regardless of us being an otherwise elite switching team, we play slow with the starting lineup, we have to have 4 defenders around him at all times, other non-defenders suffer on our team seem to be incapable of staying on the floor, etc.

Udoka has actually done something which is rarely ever done in the NBA. Starting a guy who's not a shot blocker or elite positional defender at the 5 and still ending up with a top 5 defense is almost unheard of. We achieve that by ensuring our other 4 are an elite defensive unit.

I'm not out here dissing him, it's the coach's job to help his players. No shame in that. I just find it hilarious that we call this showing out. I don't think Sengun himself would agree that this is him showing out. He's much better than this efficiency and being chained to this style.

 

I think you are missing the point. The whole idea of Sengun is putting him in a situation where he is making decisions on plays and making passes to get others good shots. That only works if defenses have to respect his shot from say 15 on the wing, 17 ft from the angle/high post, 20 ft or 3 pt.

If they don't have to respect those shots and can just give him space to defend the paint/drive, it doesn't let other players get open and let him actually run an offense.

With the defenses in the league now -- no illegal defense, personnel specific zones, scram switches, and super athletic long wings, you cannot depend on a offense where you are simply just throwing into the post every play over four 7 game series. And that doesn't even take into account that most guards/wings are no longer above average at post entry passes.

Plus on top of all that Sengun was horrible at the rim all year and in the playoffs. If he could have hit a higher percentage of post shots, they would have beat GS. He also needs a reliable hook shot on top of that.

 

You mean the supporting cast that will be gutted trading for Giannis? Good lord

 

Giannis athletic ability will always make him better than Sengun. Your implications in the original post of having Giannis will still be 1st round exit is dumb ****

It depends on the asking price to get Giannis...I would prefer to trade Jalen in a package and keep Sengun, but if that's not possible then I would keep Amen and Jabari...they could pick either Dillon or Tari which in my opinion those 2 are replaceable...package those Suns draft picks and let's run it back!

 

I don't know if it's fair to imply we have a system in place designed to hide Sengun. I think most coaches would prefer to have their big play drop coverage anyway. Its just shooters are too good these days and unless you have really elite defensive wings(we do), it's a place that can be exploited on most teams.....and it's worth noting that even more so than playing drop, Udoka has Sengun strategically doing peel switches and picking up specific players that we know are less useful in PnR - guys who don't set good screens, guys who don't have good range from deep, etc.

I do agree that Sengun would likely get scored on a lot more on nearly any other team but I don't think that makes him a bad defender necessarily so much as a typical big defender.....but yes, there are situations against elite shooters where you would have to scheme him off the floor to play a switch lineup on most teams - we even do that in certain scenarios....it's just that we mostly have a freak like Amen who is strong enough, fast enough, smart enough to get over screens and recover quickly making it hard for the Steph Currys of the world to easily step into an easy shot on the other side of the screen consistently - you gotta execute that screen perfectly to hold Amen back.

I do think it's worth mentioning that Sengun has a role defensively to gobble boards while in drop coverage and he has done a great job embracing that under Udoka...but yes, Sengun generally suffers from the same "foot speed" problem most 6'10"+ guys suffer from so he has to "own" a smaller piece of real estate and defend and rebound it well to be effective...and he mostly does and has taken some big strides at executing a defensive strategy and knowing his role in it. The nice thing here is Sengun has improved where he isn't slow for the position, he is just about average for the position which is a HUGE step up for him and otherwise we use him for rebounding more where he does a great job putting a body on people.

 

The Rockets don't have to gut the team because they have players and picks. They have been accumulating talent just for this moment. The Bucks don't have any picks and an empty roster. Their 2nd best player will miss next season and is turning 36. Bucks have no leverage. If you take Giannis off the the Bucks and whomever you choose is the Rockets best player, the Rockets will dog walk the Bucks. They have a choice of Jalen or Sengun, Smith or Eason and then picks after that. Giannis, Sengun or Green, Eason or Smith, plus Amen and FVV is a contender.

 

Except the conversation from the Bucks starts with Amen, null and voiding your entire comment.

Nice theory, lets see how it plays out.

 

Alp is better than Paolo and Chet

 

Can Sengun learn how to shoot FTs left-handed?