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Cam Whitmore putting in work

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Sep 12, 2023.

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Is he ready with a bigger role and more responsibilities AKA minutes - this early

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  1. yes

    330 vote(s)
    80.5%
  2. no

    80 vote(s)
    19.5%
  1. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

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    Thread page counts are not that important, if they were you could trade them for better performances.

     
  2. Corrosion

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    Eh, Brooks might be the best spacer on the team .... he can actually put the ball on the floor and attack close outs and shot a c*** hair under 40% from 3.

    But yeah, I get the point ....
     
  3. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Hahaha fully abandoned defending Cam huh? You weren't defending Cam when you SUSPECTED that it's only Jalen fanhood that can lead a person to see Cam is bad? Your theory is Udoka will publicly criticize Cam and not give him minutes in favor of who? In favor of exactly the Jalen Green you're so mad at? I get why you decided to "no I'm not defending Cam anymore".

    I left one little gift for you to kick you in the grave (in case you thought I didn't notice your cherry picking):

    Cam Whitmore's FG% on drives is....

    Aaron Holiday 55%
    Nate Williams 53%
    Alpi 53%
    Jabari 48%
    Jalen 46%
    Amen 46%
    FVV 46%
    Tari 45%
    Tate 45%
    Reed Sheppard 39.5%
    Brooks 38%


    CAM WHITMORE 34%.

    You go bet on the guy that's 34% on drives, sucks at catch and shoot, sucks at passing and sucks at the other HALF of the game too (defense). A guy who came out like a cry baby "I don't know what I got to do to please coach" and his Coach and GM had to come out and chide him like "We told him exactly what he needs to do, he knows, we don't know why he's saying that".

    If this brain of yours is the biggest critic of Green, we good.
     
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  4. ApacheWarrior

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    Rockets were running a highly sophisticated type of zone that makes regular zone
    look like childs play.

    Not joking, if you research it you'll understand that. Warriors said they finally felt
    like they understood it in game 7.

    Cam was in Udoka's doghouse long before the playoffs. Most of us wanted
    Whitmore to get playing time (playoffs). It's a frustrating situation of, is Cam
    screwing up? Or, are the Rockets hiding him so teams won't demand him in
    trade talks over the summer?
     
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  5. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    See a fair argument.

    My contention with that though is Jalen leads the team in transition points. The only comparable person in transition is Amen (1.17 vs 1.16 PPP). These two can actually open a new dimension for us when playing together if there's some damn space and pace. There's actually no evidence he's better in a slow paced system. He does everything better when we play faster.

    Also once again, he's our leading scorer. Only two guys took a serious number of attempts on this team and were guarded by elite defenders, and both of them had roughly the same TS% and one of them is a C and the other is Jalen Green. This is a team starving for shooting and scoring. He's one of the best catch and shooters on the team and the leading scorer. The team is also desperate for a star to generate double teams and he's 1 of 2 players who regularly drew double teams this season. Jalen Green is one of the best floor spacers on this team, teams never leave him open to catch and shoot at the 3PT line. I know the team understands that their problem is not the only guy who drew a double team in the playoffs. I know now or eventually, Ime will regret that decision to say "Don't attack the double team, let your teammates go 4 on 3, pass out quickly". That failed spectacularly for Green AND whoever he passed it to (except FVV for a couple of games).

    I don't care about his draft position, but I know exactly what will happen when we get some mediocre spacing (and hopefully pacing). It doesn't faze me when people say it's been X number of years because my whole point is to get the kid some spacing and that's literally never happened for exactly specifically 4 years. In fact the spacing has gotten worse since Ime arrived. I maintain my point that on a mediocre spaced team, all that will happen is he will get more transition, more drives and more FT's which will reduce the number of bail out pull up 3's and stabilize his efficiency. Very simply thing I've happen to stick to and I'll stick to until someone says to me: look now the spacing is mediocre instead of atrocious, why has nothing changed? And I'll do that because in every single small sample where injuries improved our spacing, he blew up. I know what I'm talking about. Some kids whining about how impatient they are does not really bother me.
     
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  6. Stephen_A

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    Shooting is just one part of basketball. How many games did they play after the all star break? The fact is both of these players make bad decisions on both ends. Part of it is inexperience and part of it is they simply aren’t there yet. As I mentioned before they both aren’t good one on one defenders. They often cheat jumping passing lanes or get beat off the dribble. Reed makes wrong reads gambling on cross court passes or jumping in mid air and passing off the drive while Cam has no awareness of a team concept on offense with little to no playmaking ability. Not good enough at this point.
     
  7. Stephen_A

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    Cam is similar to Michael Beasley in terms of tunnel vision on offense except Beasley knew how to put up points and was very good at it.
     
  8. daywalker02

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    He isn't a spacer but a dude who enjoys playing for Ime and had the best 2 years of his career in terms of efficiency.

     
  9. xtruroyaltyx

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    For those that like to listen to what people say instead of watching what they do, dont forget Ime also said this:

    So if you believe that BS he said about Jalen, you might want to stop including Cam and Reed in your trade proposals.
     
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    That's kinda coach speak honestly. Im not saying its good or bad, but what else is he supposed to say?
     
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    I think you may have completely missed the point.
     
  12. Crashlanded19

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    Sometimes I feel like the Rockets were trying to hide while showcasing Jalen. It almost seems like purposely didn’t get Jabari involved much in order to give him a lower contract this summer or for teams to not want him in a trade. We really want to keep them both for cheap but the Rockets damn near devalue their own assets at times.
     
  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota Rockets forever!
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    Sorry this is funny, it is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT part of the game.

    The entire objective is to make more baskets than you opponents...that is the game.

    DD
     
  14. Stephen_A

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    Why is that funny?

    I did not say shooting is not important. I said it’s one component in the game.

    Shooting means little when you’re not putting in the effort to box out, rebound, properly defending or making the right decisions on offense. And I just detailed what Cam and Sheppard do wrong consistently on the court.

    Simply only having Shooting skills doesn’t get you playing time especially in the playoffs. If this were the case then you would see hundreds of players that can shoot get more playing time or not cut from the league. Why aren’t guys like Ben Mclemore in the league? How did Novak’s career pan out?
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Shooting is the most important skill you can have.

    DD
     
  16. GOATuve

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    He's a scrub. Low IQ garbage player
     
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  17. Plowman

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    Cam is 20 yrs old with insane skills...

    You speak in absolutes.

    This guy will average 26+ a game eventually.

    Whether it's here remains to be seen.
     
  18. GOATuve

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    26 a game? He won't touch that unless he's playing it video game.

    Hopefully he's somewhere else
     
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  19. Stephen_A

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    You simply ignore all the other components in the game as I mentioned and simplistically only focus on shooting, which is a flawed approach. The entire objective isn’t to simply make more baskets it’s to stop the other team from making baskets as well and it’s about executing on offense to get your team to score baskets not merely shooting a ball. Good thing professional coaches don’t agree with you
     
  20. Rokman

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    You are both right.

    He is currently a scrub player and he will eventually score 26 a game but he's got a lot of maturing to do on the emotional side and educating to do on the basketball side.
     
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