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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    That is the tough kind of decision that wins wars.

    DD
     
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  2. Space Ghost

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    Like cutting the entire defense budget as you proposed
     
  3. dobro1229

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    I agree regardless of where you sit there’s no need for US ground troops anyways.

    They don’t actually need that as much as they just need the proper equiptment and defense weapon systems to stop Putin’s strikes and defend territory from ground invasion. We can also give them fighter jets and train their pilots to provide air defense and really create havoc.

    But Trump, JD, and the pro Putin wing of the maga brand and their activists like the ones we see here hate everything about that so here we are. Not doing the easy thing to win the war and instead putting Europe and NATO in a position to go at it alone which is ultimately going to fracture our alliances.

    So rather than saying “we” should I think it’s more productive to say Europe should… because the United States is an ally with Russia and North Korea at this point more than it is with Europe even though we haven’t officially left the alliance yet even though I assume that is coming soon.

    So what should Europe do???… well they can’t do what we can do just yet with the missile defense systems we have, but I know for a fact they have been gearing up for years with Lockheed and Raytheon to be on war footing but not sure they’ll have what they need in time.

    I do think Finland and Poland are two countries that should start to think about moving troops into some select territory in Ukraine to extend their defensive position beyond their borders. Russia apparently has been amassing troops at the Finland border so I understand why they want to have as many troops at home as possible but still.

    It would be politically unpopular in their countries but I think it would be the smart thing to do. Hold defensive positions in Ukrainian territory not held so Russia could not advance any further and it could allow Ukraine to focus not just on defense but seizing controlled territory.

    War is on the doorsteps of Europe and the US isn’t coming to their aid and is more likely to help Russia and North Korea than you. So stop waiting for the bombs to fall in Helsinki and do something now to make sure that doesn’t happen.
     
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  4. No Worries

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    The problem is that the EU does not want to commit either blood or more than the bare minimum of money. The EU has 10x the resources that Russia has and would win in a walk if push came to shove. The EU lacks the political will.
     
  5. No Worries

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    DD wants to eliminate the defense budget in its entirety?
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    Don't forget the two dumbest posters in this thread @Space Ghost @El_Conquistador claimed Trump would bring peace to Ukraine bcz he knew how to handle him and the war would be over soon

    Suddenly Trump realizes what liberals have been saying all along and he has no plan. Too funny
     
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  9. astros123

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    Remember we spent 30-40% of the defense budget on pensions and salaries while the CCP spends their money much more wisely and efficiently. They dont have to worry about corporation price gouging the military in the same manner the USA does with its defense establishment
     
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    Putin disrespected El Trumpo yesterday.
    I have a hunch Donald is ready to switch which side he supports.
    Just a hunch.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    What? No, but I do want it cut.

    DD
     
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    Lol dont forget the braindead cultists @Tomstro @Space Ghost @Salvy spent the past 4 years blaming zelensky for continuing the war and the world's biggest moron @Space Ghost claimed anyone supporting Zelensky was a war monger and pro death.

    Now their orange messiah has admitted Putin is the obstacle to peace and what liberals were saying for years ended up being right



    The cult will just ignore it
     
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  13. Buck Turgidson

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    REALLY BAD THINGS
     
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    Difference with Trump and Biden is that Putin is indeed playing with fire..... Check Soleimani... Biden was just money laundering via Ukraine and eating that clown Zelenky's ass, just like you...

     
  15. astros123

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    What the **** are you saying. Can you speak proper English. Biden was "money laundering" with Ukraine but Trump giving money/weapons to Ukraine is considered what? The money laundering suddenly stopped?

    You people are just dumb as ****. No coherent morals or values.
     
  16. basso

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    many people are saying.

     
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    Well, there it is. He finally admitted it took him years to realize everyone else was right about Putin playing him like a puppet. He never gave a damn about Putin killing all those innocent people, but now that he's got his pride hurt by his dictator bestie he's mad.
     
  18. Buck Turgidson

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    I'm assuming that's an AI or historical pic?
     
  19. basso

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    it's the 2025 Victory Day parade.
     
  20. Buck Turgidson

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    The ******* pic in the ******* tweet that you just ******* posted, you nitwit
     

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