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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. Hemingway

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    Narcissists don’t acknowledge their own faults even to theirselves. He has all the classic signs of a Narcissist. It wouldn’t matter if he was brilliant at both sides of the ball and better at rotations, but he is not and being a narcissist will not acknowledge that he needs to improve. It is why Amen didn’t start until there was an injury. It is why FVV was playing 40m a game. It is why he wouldn’t play Jabari in the playoffs. It was why during the regular season he regularly put his starters in to close, even after different players brought us back from deficits. He can’t adjust during the game, because that would force him to admit to himself that he was being outcoached.
     
  2. Mathloom

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    This is a dead end, won't work. Giannis' man will harass Amen and Amen's man will harass Giannis. That's before they even face a packed paint. I don't support this at all unless the plan is to accept we won't win anything for 2 years. If we're punting on 2 years, why are we acquiring a star who's window is likely 3 years? If we're punting on 2 years, we better just wait for the whole core to improve because that's enough time for another Giannis to become available. In this NBA landscape, stars moving teams is not that rare and our assets are very liquid.

    Exactly. Giannis is the superstar in this equation. On a Giannis-led team, Amen is no star. Giannnis is not joining a team where his sidekick will be a guy who can't shoot and has never taken more than 10 shots a game. Just think outside of our Rockets fanhood. We may be right that Amen is a future Superstar, but Giannis' alternative is Wemby as his sidekick. That's a 24ppg DPOY who can make 3's and block 4 shots. Don't take it personally, but Giannis is not going to come here and wait for his sidekick's jumper to develop. He will choose based on last year's output.

    Addressed this in the post, that's why I broke it down into pull up and C&S. If you list all the shot types in the NBA, the one that helps Giannis the most when he has the ball is his teammates making a catch and shoot 3 pointer. The perfect fit with Giannis is someone who can hit catch and shoot 3's, without this skill you're just adding to the wall they'll build in front of him. Jalen's issue is only with pull ups. On catch and shoot he's elite. On pullups, he would not need to take that many. With Giannis he's likely to be a 37% shooter on 8+ attempts.

    With: It's all about what can you do with the ball, and no one on the team is better at Jalen than that.
    Without: Then without the ball, I really have no idea what Amen and Sengun would do for Giannis other than attempt to cut and things like that. However, even Amen's elite nose for cutting at the right time can't approach the stratosphere of a 41% catch and shooter.
     
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    So what you're saying, is Giannis will take one look at Jalen's output and in 0.0001 seconds decide there's no way in hell he wants to play with Jalen?

    I mean, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I just didn't think you'd come out and say it.
     
  4. daywalker02

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    This has to be proven as outdated and a thing of the past: Amen was averaging 12.1 Shot attempts in the Playoffs.

    And positive that he is going to average more in a period of time.

     
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    I’ll also add he was scoring with a clogged paint once he got past his first playoff jitters and not just in transition. If he hadn’t hurt his calf we might have had a chance with the way he was dominating.
     
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    38 points in game 2. Some NBA players don’t get 38 points in a game their entire career. You are WAYYYYYYY overreacting!!! GS simply double teamed him and dared somebody else to beat them and therein lies the problem. The rest of the team couldn’t score more than 80 points and now we are out fishing.
     
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    I think nobody questioned his explosions, they just virtually never happen in the last games.

     
  8. jogo

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    He wasn't double-teamed. No matter how much people say it, it's not true. He played badly because he was shook. Jalen was guarded by Steph and Podz a lot in man-to-man, so they might be great defenders.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    38 points in 1 game - when he was hot, hell even Corey Brewer scored 50.

    Jalen just isn't great, he is.....MEH.

    He isn't worth the number 2 pick, he is a coward....we need KILLERS!

    DD
     
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    That's a bit harsh, he's not a coward, he just lacks skill.

    He wants to be a ball dominant combo guard, he just doesn't have the skill to be that guy so when he tries to be that guy and defenses trap him, it ends poorly because he doesn't have the handle, court vision, BBIQ, or passing ability to get out of those situations.... he's just a go fast, jump high guy that can get hot shooting the ball every once in a while.
     
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    I went back and watched Game 3. He wasn't double teamed even *once*. He was literally stopped by Draymond Green existing behind the initial line of defense (Podz, Curry, towel boys, etc.) I don't care about JOF's regurgitating that nonsense. It's what they do. Hearing Stone/Ime say it when it's blatantly untrue is ****ing annoying.
     
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    This is how I saw it too, it wasn't that he couldn't beat his guy (Curry, Podz) or that he was double teamed, he looked absolutely terrified of getting past the man and having to try and score on Draymond, so he b****ed out instead. He looked completely out of place on the court because he looked terrified.
     
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    It isn't just how you saw it, it is the truth.

    DD
     
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    Exactly. The "double team" wasn't straight up double. It's shading. I've said it several times. Jalen fans keep quoting Udoka without bothering to look at what actually happened in the games.

    They had a big (mostly Draymond) lurking behind Jalen's man to scare him off from driving. Jalen often just dribble or pass laterally without creating any offensive opportunity for himself or his teammates. The Warriors could not blitz Jalen in the perimeter without exposing the interior space to Sengun. They knew that as long as Jalen didn't dare driving past his defender, he would either give up or take a contested outside shot. They would love for him to take those outside shots. The only game he could hit them was Game 2.
     
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    Agree 100%, Jalen was double teamed very little in the series. Saying otherwise is blatantly untrue.
     
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    #conspiracy #it was Ime #Banged knee #Double teams #Spacing #1 more year
     
  18. nomiz1987

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    I’ve been saying it ever since @Mathloom came up with the BS double team excuse for Jalen. Bro was shut down by normal help defense and Curry’s 1 on 1. FVV faced much more double teams and he destroyed the blitzes.

    JG fans are just disgusting using any type of narrative to defend him, you guys are disgusting and scum.
     
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    Those Rockets fans are “disgusting and scum” for supporting a player and disagreeing with you? God, I hope you are some teenage moron trained by balding, steroid-abusing fake tough guys on YouTube to demonize everyone you disagree with. At least then you can grow out of it.
     
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