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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Shark44, Jul 1, 2024.

  1. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    I’m not a doctor, but I can’t imagine a partial meniscus tear will cause him much issues in the future. If anything, it makes me like him more — the fact that he played through that is incredible.
     
  2. SamFisher

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    I think it's time to NOT trade Jalen Green and start acquiring EVEN MORE Jalens/Jaylens

    Brown
    Johnson
    Williams
    Williams
    Smith
    Wells
    Brunson
    Wilson
    McDaniel
    Suggs
    Pickett
    Hood-Schifino
    Nowell
    Clark
    Duren

    If we can throw out a 5 Jalens Out lineup we'll be set. We could also add in the Jadens.
     
  3. Joe Joe

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    ....the Houston Texans are already working on this...
    Jalen Pitre
    Jayden Higgins
    Jaylin Noel
    Jaylin Smith
    Jaylen Reed
     
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    Yes, Instead of Clutch City we become Jaylen city. Just think of all the future Jaylen’s that will want to come here!
     
  5. OremLK

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    I mean, he turns 29 right around the beginning of next season. I think he's pretty capped out. Probably the best you can hope to get from him is what he did in 22-23 when he made All-NBA 2nd team (27 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists on 58% true shooting). For that he's getting paid an AAV of $60M over the next four years. I don't really see him as having surplus value over his contract, but Boston will probably ask for multiple FRPs and a good young player.

    I just don't like giving up significant assets for a player that I don't think is the difference between winning a championship or not, even if he makes the team somewhat better. We already made the #2 seed with what we've got--we need to go from pretender to contender, not pretender to slightly better pretender.
     
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    Surprisingly reasonable deal from Simmons. At least not half as crazy as some of the crap I've seen people float. I don't think I would give up Jabari AND Tari AND the #10 pick though. If you subbed out Jabari for Jock and Cam instead, I think I would do that trade.
     
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    The only thing you pissed off was common sense and perhaps Bucks fans.

    No Rockets fan would take giving up Sengun for 2 bad contracts seriously, and you can't piss off what ignores you. However, Bucks fans might think this is what Rockets fans think Giannis is worth and indeed that would piss them off.

    So you went 1/2. Not bad.
     
  9. Hemingway

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    Sabonis is not a bad contract and Lavine has only 1 more year than FVV at the same money and fits our team like a glove. If Giannis wants to come to the Rockets and the Spurs are not offering no. 2, no one could offer a better package than Jalen and 4 picks. Posters that think FVv, Giannis, and Sengun is part of a championship roster are the one’s that lack common sense. You seem pissed off, are you a Jonly or a Sonly fan?
     
  10. daywalker02

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    How is that reasonable, Simmons already said it was a deal to get them under the apron but from the quality of the players.

    They lose big time.......and should rebuild.

    Anytime a team trades their 2nd best player and their 3rd or 4th best player (Jrue)........comparable to Houston trading Amen (Sengoon) and Jabari/Dillon Brooks ....plus the experience as a championship contender.


     
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    Because of the contracts Brown and Holiday are on. They've both overpaid. I actually think the Rockets are giving up more surplus trade value in that deal when you consider the salaries involved. In exchange, the Rockets do admittedly get better while the Celtics get worse. I would expect Simmons to have us giving up multiple FRPs and Sengun or some crazy crap like that, knowing how big of a Boston homer he is. The above deal is one I could actually envision happening though.
     
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    Simmons is a Celtics fan and not a trader, if he wanted equal value, he would want the entirety or 70% of all the Houston picks plus one young player

    Probably Reed.

    I dont think the Celtics will bomb Jayson and Jaylen just now, they will get rid of guys like Kristaps and maybe Jrue and seek cheaper options to surround J&J with.

    The East is wide open, you saw that with the 3rd and 4th Seeds, why try to rebuild now?

    Both the Knicks and Pacers are not young teams like OKC where you probably concede to them.

     
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    Sabonis is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst contract in the league? Beal is the worst, and depends how you look at embiid. He’s just not that good, like sengun is way better than him and i’m not a sengun guy.
     
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    Sabonis is not the second or third worst contract in the league. He's paid pretty fairly. Maybe slightly overpaid.

    He could be the #2 option on the right team. He needs to play next to a guy like Evan Mobley or JJJ who can cover for his lack of defense, and with an elite perimeter player running the show.

    It amazes me how much people still underrate Sabonis around here. He's a really, really good player. He's just kinda hard to build a team around as one of the top two options.
     
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    He’s just massively overrated, he’s nowhere near a #2. Maybe he could be the 3rd guy if you have a true superstar but even that’s a stretch.
     
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    Brown is overpaid - no thanks.
     
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    I absolutely think he could be a #2 on a championship team. He just needs to play alongside a top 5 player, and on a team constructed to hide his lack of defense. Here are some recent #2 guys:

    Jaylen Brown
    Jamal Murray
    Klay Thompson (a seriously declined version from his peak)
    Khris Middleton
    Anthony Davis
    Kyle Lowry or Pascal Siakam

    I think you're imagining #2 options as being much better than they normally are. Sometimes it's a guy who's a superstar/borderline superstar, or something somewhat close to that. But on average these days it's more like a borderline all-star who either just scraped his way onto an all-star team or just missed making one. Sabonis is right in the middle of the pack there, a 3x all-star over the past five years, who can score efficiently, pass the ball, and is an elite rebounder, at the cost of being a crappy defensive player and very little perimeter game. You put him on a team with a two-way perimeter star like Edwards, Tatum, or SGA, and a defense that can cover for his biggest weakness, and I think he could slot right in.
     
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    Couldn’t disagree more. Will be interesting to see if he asks out and what they could get for him, or how much they will have to attach to dump him. I would definitely not consider him a top 10 center currently. I would much rather have a lively or a turner.
     
  19. Dankstronaut

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    Murray Boyles would be hilarious.

    At least you know he would play though!

    Could absolutely see the opportunity taken as a Tari replacement pick.
     
  20. OremLK

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    You're overvaluing a certain traditional archetype like that hlm guy does. I get it, we're Rockets fans, we're always comparing all centers to the greatest defensive player to ever live. Doesn't mean it's the only way to be a good center though.

    A lot of different team compositions can win in today's league--you just have to build the roster around the players you have, rather than trying to shoehorn preexisting ideas into place. Sabonis is absolutely a better overall player than Lively or Turner. Maybe two years ago Turner was kinda close. Lively isn't even in the same ballpark right now.
     

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