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Who are some inexpensive Jalen Green replacements that can be had?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MystikArkitect, May 13, 2025.

  1. harold bingo

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    I think the idea would be to get a shooting guard who can shoot. Not a slasher that requires an open paint to be effective.
     
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    FVV and #10 for Lavine and the Sac 26 frp. Then Jalen and picks for Maxey. Amen, Maxey, Dillon/Tari Jabari, Sengun.
     
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    @BimaThug do we have the money to sign Quinton Grimes as a free agent if we bring back Fred on a deal in the low $20 mil range?
     
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    I'm a frequent Jalen Green critic but neither Coby White nor Bennedict Mathurin are better players than Jalen Green.

    They are both more efficient than Jalen and White especially would be a better offensive initiator. Jalen is easily the best defender of the 3 though. Jalen is also 2 years younger than Coby White. I'd rather just keep Jalen than trade for those two.

    Others have suggested Ty Jerome and I think that's the right answer as to who to add to this roster. I would add him to Jalen rather than exchanging him though. I think he'd make a great third guard. He would greatly upgrade our shooting and I think we could cut FVV and Jalen's minutes a bit. That would lead to better fourth-quarter performance. I think Jerome could replace either FVV or Jalen in the closing lineup depending on how well either is playing.

    I'm not sure how to acquire him. I'd gladly include Reed Sheppard and Jock Landale in a sign-and-trade though. Others will say that's crazy but I think Reed's highest ceiling is current Ty Jerome.

    The best player to exchange for Jalen Green who may be available is Tyler Herro. Derrick White is the dream upgrade.
     
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    Fleming looks like a good prospect for us. Great size and shooting. Will be 21 by the start of the season so a little more developed and ready to contribute than most other top guys in the draft. It may be a reach but he's among my favorite prospects and I think he'll start rising on draft boards.
     
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    Agree but don't cross off Herro. He should be near the top of the list.
     
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    I think he'll get more from Philadelphia than the MLE that we could offer.
     
  9. Thrilla

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    Is the current owner of Philia willing to spend big because they are in the luxury tax? Grimes would be an expensive sixth man who may not see many minutes behind McCain and Maxey.

    Is Grimes content with coming off the bench when he could have an opportunity to start? Sign & trade could be a realistic option.
     
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    I'm assuming that you're referring to signing hm with cap space. If so, the answer is no.

    Here's a summary of our cap situation:

    https://www.spotrac.com/nba/houston-rockets/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_total

    We're currently $98.4M over the cap but that includes Current Contracts, Cap Holds and Dead Money.

    If we renounced all of our cap holds (Adams, Jeff Green, Tate, Dante, McVeigh, Roddy), got rid of our draft picks and declined the options on FVV and Holiday, then we could get to just under $13M in cap space. That's less than the $14.1 MLE, so I wouldn't plan on outright signing anyone this offseason.
     
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    If they're not willing to spend the money to retain him, I don't think they'd trade him for matching salary in a sign and trade.

    I would love to have Quentin Grimes here but I don't think he's a big upgrade over Jalen Green- especially has he's two years older. Jalen is already better defensively. Grimes is obviously much more efficient offensively. Jalen has better upside due to age and athleticism. I don't see it as a significant upgrade.
     
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    Use Grimes as a goon, if he comes at 10 million at a shorter deal.........less expensive.
    https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/74132/quentin-grimes

    People overthink too much, you get someone and then work your way to better players.....we have been doing that before but somehow we cling onto lotto picks and think we have to upgrade massively every time.....

    This is not practical.

     
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    From what I understand, the tax paying team can recieve less monday in a trade. Furthermore, Landale is a walking trade exception. 8 million unguarenteed. So, we could be a good trade partner for Phila.

    You're right - offensive consistancy. That's exactly what the Rockets need. Banking on Jalen's upside is not a bet I would take. Being consistant, like anything in life, is key. For example, could have won against GS if we replaced Jalen with Grimes consistant output.
     
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  14. aelliott

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    Philly is actually under the tax line right now. They're sitting at $170M and the tax line is $187,897,000. They have a really weird cap in the sense that 3 players (Embiid, Maxey and PG13 make the bulk of the money.

    I really don't know what kind of money Grimes will get. He was great the 2nd half of the year but that's a small sample size. Philly could try and dump Oubre and Drummond and that would free up another $13M. Even if they went over it wouldn't be too bad because they are not a repeater.

    Here's a breakdown of the current luxury tax situations.
    https://www.salaryswish.com/luxury-tax/2026

    Notice the Boston and Phoenix projected tax bills. Ouch.
     
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  15. aelliott

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    I don't think that there's anyway that Grimes couldn't get at least the full MLE ($14.1 M). More likely, he'll be in the mid twentys, but that's just a guess on my part.
     
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    I stand corrected. Thanks, man. Got to be a scholar to understand the CBA. I am still working on my times tables.

    I would expect at the very least the MLE. Don't think there are many teams with cap space other than BKN, so couldn't Phila let Grimes test the market and match any offer as he is a RFA?
     
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    Fair take, I also think we missed that train when he was severely underpaid and could have traded for him.

    Especially if he is a steady 15-17 ppg scorer.

    The 21 ppg on a bad team is a little misleading, who knows.....

     
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    How are you making the transaction work? How are we trading Jalen Green for Quentin Grimes? I'm not even against it. I just don't see how to make the money work. I also don't see why the 76ers would want Jalen Green on his upcoming contract. Are we including a Phoenix pick to swap Jalen for Quentin Grimes?

    I think the on court fit with Grimes could work. I'd be Ok with letting Amen initiate the offense more. Grimes and Sengun can create some offense as well. It's intriguing.

    I'd rather trade Jalen and some picks for a clear upgrade though. I understand you don't care for Jalen but I think we can do better. It would be like substituting Coke Zero for Diet Coke. Neither one is particularly good. Let's try something good.
     
  19. NotTooYoungtoContend

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    We'd need more salary though to obtain Grimes. He's going to be worth at least $20 million. We don't have the salaries to match that. I also don't think Philly has any interest in Landale. Are we including draft assets for Quentin Grimes?

    Also, adding Quentin Grimes just adds to our future cap and makes it harder to retain Jabari and Tari. We'd definitely have to choose between those two at that point for 26/27.
     
  20. aelliott

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    Yes they can.
     
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