Giannas or KD and are we over reacting?

idk if we're over-reacting but Giannis will almost certainly end up on OKC or Spurs if we don't make a competing offer.

I'm deathly afraid we're going to end up like the Kings by not improving our roster (since Stone basically said we're running it back without changes).

I guess FVV will be coming back in this scenario and if we get lapped by the other teams in the West next season, Stone might make a panic KD trade before the deadline.

The West is a complete bloodbath year in and out, I think many fans forgot about this fact since we've been tanking so long. If you just sit still and don't improve every summer, the team will fall behind.

 

LOL at the reason Sengun would be included in a Giannis trade instead of Jalen being that Jalen would help the spread the court

the actual reason Sengun would be included is because nobody wants Jalen’s bum ass as the main player in a superstar trade…he’s an inconsistent 6th man type being paid 30+ mil who just got absolutely EXPOSED in the playoffs

if I’m Milwaukee, I wouldn’t want Sengun either…Amen Thompson would be the only worthwhile player for me

 

Sometimes the right move to make is to not make one at all.

 

I like the KD move a lot if the price is right. I'm not really sure what it would cost to get him, but I can't imagine someone his age has a lot of value. I think he would make us a much better team for 1-2 years and I imagine we wouldn't have to give up any significant piece to get him. As anyone knows that has seen my posts in the other threads I don't like the Giannis idea at all. Though Giannis would make us a much better team (obviously), when you actually look at what it would cost to get him, and then look at the rosters that got him bounced in the first round in the east 3 years in a row...I'm not really sure we could do much better than that. Just doesn't seem like the right move.

 

I don’t know if anyone is overreacting or underreacting. It just comes down to:

A: Who wants to come to Houston in the first place
B: What has to be given in order to make a deal with the Thunder or Suns or another team that emerges with a veteran star.

The assumptions I see here that might be incorrect are the assumptions that the Suns will give the Rockets a better deal on KD and therefore the argument made is under the pretense of just adding KD vs overhauling the roster to get Giannis.

There’s also the assumption that if the Rockets stay put they’ll end up like the Kings.

-I would not assume that KD is as easy to get as some might assume
-I WOULD assume that we would have to overhaul our roster and gut our assets for Giannis
-I would NOT assume we’ll be like the Kings if we essentially run it back

On the last part, if the Rockets maintain all of their picks that is critical if we have a down year with a loaded west like the Kings had. The key is keeping our picks and making sure we can be in the game that the Spurs, Us, and of course the Mavs were in this week to keep on having the ability to get fortunate in a down year which could happen with injuries, lack luster growth from the younger stars, etc. The Kings example I get but with the assets this team has currently, I like our ability at a minimum to be a team who is in the thick of it but can still turn it around quick in a down year if we don’t make the playoffs or are just a play in team.

 

Per my post I really don’t trust the Suns front office to be the most reasonable partners to trade with imo. I think given the bind they are in they will try to stretch a KD deal into a franchise life line.

I kinda see the writing on the wall too that Houston is putting it out there about how cool they are on KD as a way to try and manage how aggressive and potentially unreasonable the front office might be so nobody burns any bridges along the way.

One things for sure though we’ll know quickly how KD really feels about his time in OKC and how things really ended there. They have a surplus of picks and are in the cap situation where it makes the most sense to bring him back for a 2-4 year run and retire his number. We’ll see the first shoe to drop in OKC I think and maybe that’ll help his price drop a bit when they are off the board IF they come off the board because of sour grapes.

 

If you are advocating for the Rockets to stay the course, then you have to make a legit argument who on this team is going to be the SGA or Jokic or Luka. The guy you can count on to get 20-30 points every playoff game and keep your offense afloat through the good and the bad. Because if that person doesn't exist on the roster, then they need to get that guy. It's nearly impossible to win a title by simply working your ass off on defense. Detroit team mid-2000s was the only championship team with that blueprint. And one can argue that that team had more offensive talent with Billups, Rasheed, and Hamilton > our trio of Sengun, Jalen, and Amen.

 

The real question is - how attractive is Houston…

Ime coaches a certain way and can rub players wrong - he demands a certain level of defense at all times or you will be benched - his offensive system sucks ass

In today’s NBA players are spoiled, it takes a certain type of mindset / player to work with Ime ( Bari, Alpi, JG, Amen ) are all team first type players, they might get upset at Ime and how he handles them time to time but they don’t go all out pout mode like let’s say (Cam)

Will KD be willing to play hard D for 82 games + - can his body even handle it (look at all the injuries to players who played in Olympics this year)

Giannis has gone through how many coaches in the last 3-4 years since his ring… will he mesh with Ime?

 

Fred VanVleet's BPM was 70th in the NBA this year, but he was 17th in minutes. Meanwhile, the #3 pick can't get off the bench.

Likewise, Dillon Brooks' BPM was 132nd in the NBA this year, but he was 53rd in minutes. Meanwhile, Cam can't get off the bench and Bari got less minutes and less shots this year versus last.

The "let it grow" argument presumes that Ime is going to give guys room to grow.

 

All Billups, Rip and Sheed were seen as capable shooters......quite the contrast to what the Rockets have in their best players.

Jalen is the happy go lucky 20 attempts per game type of guy, if they go in they go in.

 

Agreed. This year was a little better than last year, but with the amount of youth on this roster that should be getting minutes to showcase their capabilities or just grow as players we relied too heavily on the vets in the name of winning more games in the short term.

 

y’all really overstate stuff like this…the Celtics players LOVED Ime

the young guys on our team have proven nothing…a lot of them had known nothing but losing and getting their ass beat before Ime and were full of bad habits

Which players has he rubbed wrong? Bench chucker Cam who came into the league with a questionable attitude which is why he fell all the way to outside the lottery?

Fred and Dillon get all the minutes and leeway in the world. KD isn’t some elite defender, but he’s not a sieve either

 

Ime also gives Jalen all the opportunity in the world…he has to be absolutely abominable to be benched, and 99% of the times he got benched, it was because of his offense

Jalen ain’t some elite defender…Ime was fine with him just trying and not being a joke on defense like he was under Silas

 

Let's be honest, anybody who thinks Giannis isn't an Ime guy can't read people at all. He's an MVP tier caliber Ime guy. The issue with Giannis is more that he'd cost so much for us to compete with any other offers that we then couldn't compete. KD's the more plausible/feasible move of the 2 for me, but like you said, I just don't see the great fit so many other people seem to see (he seems like a no brainer to OKC with Giannis goin to the Spurs if I'm honest.) Sadly we just don't seem to have many options that are really that great either on price or fit for upgrading our situation.

 

Re: Overreacting.

HELL NO, we aren't overreacting, our roster isn't good enough.

If we just stayed the course we will always be behind OKC, the Spurs, and maybe now the Mavs, they all have BETTER lead players than we do.....now Amen may become a superstar but not if he can't shoot consistently.

So our choice is simple sit tight win 50 every year and never contend, or hope that Cam, Reed or Amen develop or flip some players to improve the roster...to keep up.

YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP - playing it safe never wins ****.

DD

 

When I look at trade speculation between Rockets & Bucks outside of Rockets-related boards & media, I see speculation that any Rockets offer needs to start w/ BOTH Amen & Sengun & 4 picks. I could be wrong, but I think people speculating that Green or Sengun & a couple picks isn’t going to be enough for Giannis

 

If we stay the course, this roster becomes a lot more expensive cap-wise.

#LuxuryTaxSavings #Apron

I'm not sure you can justify a "not cheap" team anymore given the lack of playoff success and the amount of young players on this team wanting/needing minutes to see if they're any good.

However, I'm not sure there's an obvious trade that (1) consolidates the talent or (2) makes the roster noticeably better. It's like we're in limbo.

 

Amen isn't going to be traded for Giannis.

That seems to be consensus from people who would know.