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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. Downtown Sniper

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    I've never seen someone so hell bent on self owning themselves, and outing themselves for being a literal zero IQ fan.

    I have repeatedly ignored your repeated DuNkEr SpOt posts because, I've already embarrassed you, and at this point I'm honestly not so sure you're working with a full set of tools, if you know what I mean, and I feel bad about that.

    I didn't need to hammer home the fact just how stupid you are.

    But yet, you don't relent. So here we are. You aren't making the argument you think you're making you absolute clown.

    Here, here is a chart of Amen's field goal attempts in the playoffs.

    Now you tell me, do you know where the dunker spot is?

    https://www.basketball-reference.co...layer_id=thompam01&year_id=2025&is_playoffs=1

    I cannot believe people as stupid as you make it through each day.
     
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  2. Stephen_A

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    oh? Fake news :D:D:D

    Despite the fact he scored from the dunker’s spot? You clearly don’t know where the dunker’s spot is on the floor dude. Lol that’s a chart dude which doesn’t show where he stood where he caught the ball. i just showed you where he caught the ball. He stands in the short corner or dunkers spot to get passes from the dribble drive then takes it to the paint for a dunk or layup which the green dot indicates.

    Are you this stupid to think that he needs to score right there with green dots in the dunkers spot?

    you are telling me and this forum not only do you not know where the dunkers spot is, you didn’t watch the games and you have no understanding of how a player scores from that region. You are obviously a box score and chart watcher. For next season you should actually watch the games, get up to speed on basketball terms, and apply understanding when you watch games. You got some work to do this summer much like Jalen Green.

    IMG_3378.jpeg IMG_3377.jpeg
     
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  3. Kevooooo

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    Watching these guys like Murray finishing at the rim among crowds reminds me of what frustrates me most about Jalen. He knows how to use English and angles, but he so often finishes soft. Like he takes for granted and overestimates the space he created on his drive and doesn’t use his body at all to shield the defender behind him. He just extends his arm for the finish as if the guy isn’t going to block from behind/side of him.

    needs to learn to use his backside to wall off the defender on those layups. Also needs to go up STRONG. He seems to either trip to jump over someone or around them. Dunk THROUGH them.
     
  4. Stephen_A

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    When a guy back peddles on a break you can use your shoulder and side of your arm to bump them off. He has done this not sure why he doesn’t do it more often. Baffling. Also jump and drive your body into their chest then manipulate the ball to get a foul.
     
  5. Downtown Sniper

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    I love how you insinuated that the majority of his points in the series came from the dunkers spot.

    Correctly got called out for how idiotic a statement that was.

    Proven by actual facts how idiotic and wrong that statement was.

    Then your rebuttal was.............. a screenshot of a single possession where he scored from the dunkers spot.

    Hahahahahahah. I mean there's stupid, there's absolutely braindead, and then there's @Stephen_A.

    I am in disbelief at how stupid someone can possibly. You've lost all rights to have your posts read in the future hahahahah I genuinely cannot believe someone can be this stupid without trolling, I truly cannot.
     
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  6. Stephen_A

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    I am in disbelief how someone claims to know something but then Goes back for several hours and digs up a dumbass chart that shows nothing but where a shot was made with no context. But because you are a metrics dummy, boxscore watcher, and chart reader only you don’t watch games with understanding and it’s clear.

    You look at charts and box scores and dumbass metrics and conveniently formulate a narrative. I never said majority anything you dumbass. I said he scores in various spots that are not where Green scores from.

    Let me refresh your revisionist memory:

    Lie. Deny. Denial. Delusion. :D:eek::D
     
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    @Downtown Sniper

    Because you can’t read let me give you a visual:

    Oh look it’s Amen hanging in the short corner and dunkers spot area again just as he did in the reg season. Dribble drive pass to him Wide open. Cheers! :D:D:D

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  9. Stephen_A

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    Coming from another worthless poster. Just noticed your moniker is Jordn hopefully not after MJ :D:D:D
     
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    So, since it's off-season for us, why not do a draft for JOFs? Who is the best? Who will be your top three pick?

    Mathloom?
    fchowd?
    Stephen_A?
    gfab-babyboi?
     
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  12. ApacheWarrior

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    They are just acting dense Stephen A.

    True box score watchers that pretend not to understand how spacing creates space
    for them and their teammates to be more efficient.

    Denver is a good example:
    Jokic can shoot 3's at a respectable rate....opens up space for Murray in the paint.
    Sengun, not so much....(that's laughable)

    Aaron Gordon is not great at 3's....acts much like Amen as a "Dunkers Spot" "Dive to the
    rim guy". Teams have to locate him and try to box him out.

    Michael Porter jr can shoot 3's....opens up space for facilitators to drive.

    Braun can hit 3's which in turn opens up space for facilitators.

    Westbrook slashes so you have to put a body on him, but KCP in the past could hit 3's
    which in turn opened up space for facilitators.

    Denver was 5th in the NBA in 3P% for the regular season.Houston 21st.
    Denver has been #2 in 3P% in this years playoffs.

    Every team beneath Houston (10th) in the playoffs went out without
    so much as a whimper: Bucks (1-4), Lakers (1-4), Pistons (2-4), Heat (0-4),
    Memphis (0-4), Magic (1-4). Only reason the Rockets were 10th was because
    of the attention Adams. Sengun and Amen got near the rim and Jalen Green
    being blitzed on the perimeter.

    Amen would have gotten 10 points a game as a #1 option.
    Sengun got his points as Steven Adams demanded so much attention. Probably
    would have averaged 12 points a game without Adams on poor efficiency.

    Teams know Jalen Green can get to the rim vs their packed paint so they
    put a 6'7" to 6'9" SF on him most of the time to alter any step backs,
    whether at the midrange or step back 3. Kuminga gives Green more
    trouble than any other Warrior. The next series would have had McDaniels
    guard Jalen. 6'9" dude that can defend.

    It's hard for teams to put those guys on Jamal Murray when you got 7'0 Jokic.
    6'10" Michael Porter jr, and 6'8" Aaron Gordon out there.
     
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  13. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    This was a major issue, he often tries to sneak in a layup instead of going strong.

    I remember Udoka said in a press conference he doesn't want Jalen going up and challenging the rim protector. He also constantly says to stay out of the crowded areas i.e. the paint. I think that's wrong and it's made Jalen try to be Manu Ginobili on a lot of drives. In the Warriors series there were a few occasions where he could have jumped as high as possible and come down hard with the dunk on 6'6 Draymond, but instead he would try to out-manoeuvre him. At least if you go for the ferocious dunk, there's a higher possibility of getting FT's.

    He needs to act more like Ja Morant and less like Manu Ginobili on those. As you said, dunk through them. Explode upwards as high as you can and hardly anyone can reach that or stay in the air long enough for that. He doesn't seem to be materially better at finishing either one of those, but at least when he used to go up strong he used to get a lot more FT's, get the rim protector in foul trouble, and at least he'd be improving at THAT rather than these trick shots.
     
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  14. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    JOF? Go read my comments about any and every player on the roster. It's 99% positive on all players. That's why I'm good with Amen fans, Sengun fans, Bari fans, everyone.

    Just not with trolls.
     
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  15. ApacheWarrior

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    All of them are like the Avengers. I see them taking away Jaters lunches every day.

    No contest.
     
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  16. zjcblord21

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    Oh really? Sorry, my bad, not Jalen-only, maybe "extremist Jalen fan" fits better?

    Well, "99% positive on all players" means you barely criticize anyone? That's definitely too extreme to me...Jalen's performance in the past four years got a lot of negative critiques and actually I think he deserves it.

    Don't start with the narratives of "as long as he is on the team, I root for him. I support everyone on the team..." blablabla. Well, fans can definitely criticize anybody on the team because of their bad performance. People want him go because they do think the team is better without him. He disappointed so many fans in the past four years, his first playoff performance just raised the negative sentiment to another record-high level. Enough is enough, I think it's totally understandable.

    Actually I am good with Jalen fans also, just not with extremists who always try to find excuses, who always blame teammates, blame tactics, blame all external factors instead of facing and acknowledging Jalen's own shortcomings in many areas.
     
  17. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I have criticized everyone at some point or another. You'll always have something to hate on because you've structurally designed it that way. In a team game, you think it's possible to commonly put 100% accountability on a single person. This is not tennis. It doesn't work that way.

    Constructive criticism doesn't have to be negative. That's just a mixing of someone's out of control emotions with criticism. I support everyone on the team as a default. The only thing I criticize is a lack of effort, for example someone who gets fat (Daishen Nix) or someone who is a selfish ******* who doesn't play hard on defense (Cam) or someone who cares more about their image than doing what they do best (Jabari). If a player listened to the coach and did the maximum effort on both sides of the ball, my reaction to that is: "awww tough luck but the show must go on, the team comes first".

    I don't get any sense of achievement from being right about a Rockets player that fails. You will not find me showing up and ******** on Sengun for scoring 21 points on 19 shots just because I was able to predict it. That's the difference between us.

    This is possible because for me in the taking of sides, the side I take is the Rockets. If I want my team to succeed, I suggest ways for people to succeed. I don't sit and dump on what's going wrong. I care about solutions rather than trolling.
     
  18. Roomba

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    I feel like Mathloom has definitely criticized Jalen a ton over the years, it’s not fair to say that he’s an extremist, he is just very optimistic towards Jalen’s potential, as am I, though the recent playoff series will have me sour for at least the whole offseason.

    Also, I’m offended that you left me off the Jalen fan avengers group…next season I’ll make my way onto the list :D
     
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  19. zjcblord21

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    I intentionally left you. Not yet reach my standard of extremist;)
     
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  20. daywalker02

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    I don't think being an actor and feigning criticism towards your favorite player just to avoid the mob is the way to go.....

    He also gets melodramatic whenever he sort of criticized Jalen Green, and pays it back with double hostility/double scorn towards his opponent poster.

    This is a circus every time, rinse repeat.

    I think in his case counting how many threads he started for which player and his word count in his posts tell the story.....

     

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