Just tell me up-front you don't watch basketball. When you say similar to Sengun, that's all I needed to hear. Dude avg 35-15-5 in the finals and he wasn't as good as he is now. So him hitting mid range shots doesn't count huh. Him still getting to the ft line 10 times a game doesn't count either? Man, you tripping
I watch more basketball than most people on this board, I can promise you that.....but more importantly, I read/write critically and you have completely missed the point. I said "Giannis is a one level scorer similar to Sengun" to point out that similar to Sengun you need to surround him with shooters to optimize the things he does well. This past series GS packed the paint and made it difficult to score because GS' defenders didn't have to stay that close to Houston's shooters. The 35-15-5 stat line you brought up doesn't happen in a vacuum - he needs the right players around him to go wild like that. My point is Giannis may be better than he ever has been but he isn't coming to Houston and putting up the same numbers unless we change most of the team around him as well....and we are talking about player who will be 31 early next season. If you want to win a title with him, you better be ready to win now and Houston likely can't completely reshape a team around Giannis this offseason - it will take several years and you don't have several years on Giannis' timeline because 33/34 yr old Giannis probably isn't the same 30+ 11+ 6+ monster he was in his late 20s.
100% on the spot. I do not understand why more people do not realize this. Acquiring a guy who relies on his athleticism and also will shortly be 31 makes no sense unless you have the perfect roster to win it all with him immediately. We do not have that roster.
You know what happens to timeliness when teams try to wait it out? Golden State happens. Remember, the Clippers and Portland were next up and what happened? Here is what you're missing and your over estimated decline of an athletic freak like Giannis. Jalen Green avg 17.6 fga per game for his 20ppg but you want to tell me Giannis taking 2 more shots per game won't get that same 30? A 34 yr old Giannis isn't going to be required to do everything because he will have a 25 yr old Thompson and a 26 yr old Sengun. Again he's not a 1 level scorer as you suggest. You said you watch, but I can't tell by your statement. The Rockets had a problem with shot creation last year. Giannis creates well for himself and others.
There is no such thing as perfect roster to aquire a top 3 player entering his prime years who is available
Giannis needs shooters. The "perfect" roster to acquire him is a team that already has a lot of shooters. Bonus points if you have a center who can shoot 3s since Giannis has said he hates playing center, despite the effectiveness of it. We don't have either of these things, so it would be hard to make him fit here. There are a handful of teams that already have those things, namely the Spurs. Not only do we not have those things, but our most talented player is a non shooter, which makes it an especially bad fit. It might still work well, or Amen might learn how to shoot, who knows, but I think it's reasonable to be opposed to the fit here. And there are definitely teams where he fits very well.
I'm with you in that he's a terrible fit, but great players always work regardless of fit. Wade was probably the worst theoretical star fit you could possibly put next to lebron. Can't shoot, needs the ball, basically just a dollar store lebron, yet they were great together. Amen and Giannis would be fantastic together, both are smart enough and good enough passers. Giannis certainly isn't jokic where you could put literally anyone around him and it makes no difference though, i don't think there would be a realistic title path with giannis (short of reed exploding), but we would be really good.
Show me a team where you don't need shooters. A shooter is the easiest thing to acquire. Who were the shooters on the Dream led Rockets? Kenny Smith via trade wasn't a 3pt shooter in Sacramento, neither was Elie. What about Mad Max and Horry? Horry was a center in college and nobody knew he could change into a 3pt shooter. Its alot easier to find shooters than it is to
So if Jalen Green had shooters, he would avg 30 on 19 shots? If Sengun had shooters would he avg 30 on 19 fga? The easiest piece of the puzzle to find are shooters. Think of the Dream Rockets and who were the shooters and where the came from. I know Kenny, Max, Horry, Elie weren't shooters until they got with Dream who provided them with clean looks. Tari Eason had the same fg% from 3 as Tatum did. Does that make him a shooter? What is your acceptable rate to become a shooter?
Here is something you should know - I found this on google: In basketball, a 3-level scorer is a player who can effectively score from three different areas on the court: the 3-point line, the mid-range area, and at the rim (including layups and dunking). ...and also here is PROOF - here is the shot chart of every shot Giannis took in the playoffs this year - all 99 of them. Giannis averaged 33 a game and made FIVE shots outside of the paint the entire series of 5 games. I'll do the math - that's one shot outside of the paint per game. He made one 3 the entire series compared to Sengun's three.....but you say I don't watch the game enough and Giannis is NOT a 1 level scorer? Stop wasting my time with stuff easily proven on the web. https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CF...eamID=1610612749&flag=3&sct=plot§ion=game I said what I said. I'm not arguing that Giannis is vastly better than Jalen - I'm saying Giannis' 33 a game average in Milwaukee isn't happening in Houston unless we trade most of the roster to surround him with shooters like he has on his current team. Will he score a lot? 100% Yes...but just because he did that on Milwaukee doesn't mean he is going to average 33/15/6 next year in Houston on a team that has literally no outside threats on the roster. What are you not getting here?
lol, "entering his prime"? He has been in his prime for the last 5 years. That is the problem, his "prime" window will be closing in around 4 years, maybe less. Alpi and Amen are a few years away from their prime window starting.
I'm not sure what you're asking. The Harden era rockets played with Clint Capela, he wasn't a shooter. The cavs this year play with 1 and sometimes two non shooters on the court, and it works. The warriors play with Draymond on the court, sometimes Draymond and a center who can't shoot, and they've won a ton of championships that way. Obviously shooting is important for any team, but not every superstar has the "must play with 4 shooters at all times" mandate like Giannis does. No? Of course not, why would they? Giannis is way better than both of them. I don't agree that shooting is easy to add. I think finding shooters who can defend is actually one of the hardest things to find in basketball. There are a lot of shooters who can't really defend, and defenders who can't really shoot. Tari is more in the "defender who can't shoot" mold, his shot is sub-par, but he can make them. He's really good at a lot of other things, and his shot is still improving though. If he can improve his shot he is definitely the type of guy you want around Giannis.
You're missing the other side of your own argument, Giannis doesn't shorten the window, he EXTENDS it. Our window standing pat won't open for another couple of years because our players aren't in their prime. If you can get Giannis without ransoming the entire future then we still retain that same championship window in 3-4 years that we already have, we just also get the next 3-4 years because we now have an instant MVP level #1 option so our window opens NOW. Then when Giannis ages out we enter Amen/Sengun's prime and look for the NEXT future star to take over when they leave their prime. Y'all don't think of that though, you don't actually believe your own **** that Sengun/Amen are star level players, if you did you'd be fervently trying to extend our window with a Giannis/Joker level trade.
Here is what Google didn't tell you that you have to watch and know. If Giannis or any other player is shooting mid range shots from the ft line and his foot is halfway over the ft line, that's considered points in the paint. If you and I are watching, we both can see that's not the same as a layup or dunk. So being a 3 level scorer is really only great to have if you excel at all level of the levels. Melo Ball is a 3 level scorer, problem is he's avg or below avg at all 3. Again, you keep bringing up the argument of him not doing what he did in Milwaukee because of what he doesn't have in Houston. Yet, Jalen Green didn't have these same things, took 2 less shots and scored 10 less points. A player like Giannis is going to get the other players cleaner looks at the rim. Eason shot 34% with basically nobody creating clean looks. Is it out of the realmn to see him get to 37,38% from 3 with cleaner looks like Mario Elie and Kenny Smith got when playing with Dream? I'm also over people thinking because he's 35 he will fall off a cliff when he still have Westbrook and other 35 yr old Uber athletic guys still looking athletic. Not to mention when and if Giannis starts this so called decline you're screaming about, Thompson and Sengun should be in their prime. Tim Duncan in 2014 was not the Tim Duncan in 2005,but what he had was a Tony Parker, Manu,and up and coming Kawhi. The Rockets can set themselves up just like that.
You mean like how Sac did with Sabonis? If your center is not Embiid or Jokic, it is doesn't make sense. He doesn't require double teaming
Haha - this is getting embarrassing the way you are sticking to something you are clearly wrong about. I'll take it for what it is - a troll doing troll things....
