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HOUSTON ROCKETS 2025 OFF SEASON DISCUSSION

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mr. Dominant, May 6, 2025.

  1. Hemingway

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    Amen got more and more time initiating the offense as the year went on. It was clear and evident when Ime took FVV off the ball that he wanted Amen and Jalen and sometimes Sengun to initiate the offense. Next year he will be the starting PG at some point. FVV averaged 5.6 assists to Amen’s 3.4. FVV consistently played 40 mins a game as a starter and has dismal shooting statistics in the lane. FVV’s domination of the ball is why our offense sucks. Unfortunately, Ime has to be forced into making changes by injuries. If FVV is the starting PG next year it will be result in a lower seed and another first round exit. You have very poor basketball knowledge.
     
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    Yeah, Harden and Curry must turn over the ball too much to be PG’s. That’s a really stupid comment. He can consistently get in the lane and score at high efficiency and almost always makes the right pass. He needs to improve his handle somewhat, but above average turnovers is in no way an indicator of ability to be PG.
     
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    Amen is great initiating the offense off rebounds and pushing pace - if you noticed he didn’t bring ball up after made baskets -that would be Fred or JG ….

    We are in agreement about Fred … my discussion with @deb4rockets is that he cannot play SG without developing some type of midrange / outside shot …if Rockets decide to move on from FVV the hope is they bring in a more creative point guard who is a threat from all over court - move DB to bench, allow Amen to play SF and bring Bari back at PF … Amen is better at everything but 3pt shooting when compared to DB (I just don’t see Ime benching DB)
     
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    He is not only a transition PG. He just needs to get the ball early in the shot clock. Ime’s offense is to blame for him not getting enough reps as the on-ball initiator in the half-court. Ime gives Jalen that opportunity a great deal and the results are just about as terrible as when FVV tries to penetrate. The only play FVV is semi-functional in is PnR and if his shooting is off, he is horribly inefficient at that as well. He’s a bad PG probably bottom 5 in the league.
     
  5. deb4rockets

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    Fred is not in the bottom 5. That's absurd. In fact, he's ranked #4 of free agents point guards right now. I know you don't believe turnovers matter, but he has a better assist/turnover ratio than all our guys and many other starting point guards as well. Do I want someone even better at PG and SG than our starters who have much better shot proficiency as well? Of course. Why not?

    https://hoopshype.com/lists/2025-nba-free-agent-rankings-top-point-guards-available-this-summer/
     
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    #4 of FA pg’s, HaHaHaHa. How does he rank as a pg in the league. We aren’t participants in the FA market, but we should be really active in the trade market. Look through the list and tell me which guys he is better than.
     
  7. MrButtocks

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    Would love Desmond Bane on this team, but we don't have anything to get him. Memphis is still in win now mode and if anything would trade him for an upgrade rather than picks. Would also try and target Collin Sexton as he's still only 26 and on an expiring contract. He's a super efficient scorer and shooter and can handle secondary ballhandler duties. His defense is bad, but we have the defenders to flank him and make up for it. He would be our ideal sixth man.
     
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    Look it up yourself. I've never seen him ranked anywhere near the bottom 5. Maybe part of that is his defense and ASST/TO ratio. I don't know. I don't make rankings. Sure, there are guys that are better in many ways, but he isn't in the bottom 5. It's not like I wouldn't prefer a top 5, but it's probably not going to happen.

    As for free agent point guards, you'd have to evaluate the 3 above Fred to see how much better you think they are. I'm no expert.
     
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    Stone: "what off-season? we're running it back!"

    Stone has the coldest seat in the league, Tilman basically handed him the reigns and let him do whatever he wants. Most owners would decide who we pick with our lotto picks, Stone made all the decisions there. Most owners would probably fire their GM after failing to draft a generational star in 4 years of tanking with plenty of picks.

    Personally, I wouldn't say Stone is a horrible gm but he is 100% certified mid.
     
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    Sorry to go off topic but anyone noticed Stone’s head shape? It’s amazingly non-standard.
     
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    LMAO, you made me go look at images. Haha, you are right. Looks like he got whacked across both sides of his head a few times by a rolling pin as a kid.
     
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    This would be the Basketball Gods shining on us for all those missed #1 chances. If we're blessed with this outcome, we'll have some flexibility to move some other pieces to solidify a smart/talented team. Would love to trade Jalen Green and change to get another Top 7 pick and add another shooter.
     
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    So they putting the word on the Street if they Celts lose
    they may blow it up

    AGE: 28
    In his Prime
    Big Price Tage
    but
    I prefer him to Durant or Giannis

    Rocket River
     
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    I would consider green/brooks for brown but with his price tag you can’t do much more than that

    Would be nice running :

    FVV/ Reed
    Brown/cam
    Amen/tari
    Tari/Sengun
    Sengun/adams

    plus still use the mle money in a shooter
     
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    I think Brown is overpaid on a max salary, but he’s an excellent #2 with the potential to be a #1 guy in a leading role. He hasn’t shot very well from long range the last 4 yrs, but he’s capable of being a 36% guy, and he is a 3-level scorer. At 28 there just aren't guys of his stature available although going forward many teams are going to have to move off great plsyers because it’s so hard to afford max guys with the CBA. He’s not on Gianni’s’ level. Brown is a better fit with our current roster but you’re getting a much better player for your money with Giannis.

    I’d be excited to have a younger trade option than Durant and Giannis. But I think Boston would be foolish to blow up their team. I’m skeptical Brown will end up being available.
     
  17. OremLK

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    I was never onboard with trading for Brown and I'm still not, honestly. He's not a great shooter or passer; he's a better downhill player than JG and a better defensive player, but he's also getting paid nearly twice as much money per year and will be age 29 next season.

    I mean I guess I would do it if the price was just Jalen + salary filler, but they'll want more.
     
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    After comparing big men in this draft I'm coming up with 2 players. Khaman Maluach and Ryan Kalkbrenner. With the edge going to Maluach.
     
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    I’ve got the jones for the Jones: sign Tyus, draft Tre.
     
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    If you watched that series and your take away was that "Fred is the problem", I just don't know what to say. Look, Fred had a terrible year. He was horribly inefficient. But he showed up in the playoffs. And I'd also point out that despite having his worst shooting season (ever?) the Rockets were still way worse when he was injured.

    I just don't think it's worth saying we have to get rid of Fred if you don't have at least a suggestion of how we could improve. Because from my point of view, this team is worse without him even if we need upgrades at both the guard positions.
     
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