That’s exactly what it means and it’s the right call IMO. Can we use better guard play? Absolutely… but guys like Fred as much as some members on this board hate him doesn’t just grow on trees. If we can get him on a longer 3-4 year deal (preferably 3) at around $25-30M per season would be a major win. Keep Fred… hope Reed makes a major step… upgrade or don’t upgrade Jalen’s spot. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...-option-deadline-this-is-where-i-want-to-be/# “Houston coach Ime Udoka told reporters this week that the team would "love to have him back" and praised VanVleet's leadership.”
Ive kind of flipped on Fred. Im ok with him being back at a reduced salary if it means they are bringing in a significant offensive upgrade...basically turning him into Mike Conley. If we're stuck with him needing to carry the offense for stretches like he had to this year, we're cooked.
2 years in and you guys still don't know that Freddie is a shooting PG..... Conley isn't scoring that much and he didn't even when he was younger.
That's mainly because they didn't have any other option that could run the offense. Jalen couldn't and neither could Amen, Shepard wasn't ready and Holiday isn't really a point, he's a point sized sg. I'm Ok with one or the other - Bring back FVV you gotta upgrade Jalen. This pair can't be the starting guards for this team after the trade deadline next year.
Agreed. Jalen and Fred are bad together. When your offensive strategy is built around rebounding for second chance points and putbacks that should speak volumes about your two main perimeter creators. " We know you guys suck at generating points so just throw up shots and our bigs and forwards will crash the glass"
If I were to picked between Jalen green and fvv, i would go Jalen green bc of his potential. We all know what fvv pg/playmaking entails of and it blows. Running it back with these two isnt gonna change the end results, we have to pick one amd upgrade the other
FVV gives great leadership. Obviously not worth $40M - but at the right price he is a good PG. The need for improved guard play is around the other spot....
I'm torn on a FVV extension. On one hand the team was clearly far better with him than without him, so it's hard to say with any confidence that moving on from him makes us a better and not worse team. On the other hand, there's a hard glass ceiling on FVV's ability, and Udoka has shown he will always go safe in regards to playing him. Letting him go forces the team to try and develop a better ball handling option with a higher ceiling like Thompson or Sheppard.
Bro we were basically dead last in the assist category with a slow ass offense for a young team. Thats not a sign of a good pg. We can improve the guard at the other positon and our offense would still suck bc fvv isnt a good playmaker
I would give him the 1 year option. I would not give him 3/100 or 4/120 which is what I think he would get on the open market. 1 year fits the timeline of the team. 3 and 4 years does not.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they extend him at 60 mill per year. Stone and Udoka value fvv as if he’s a top 2 nba player.
yes, because having a point guard is better than not having one at all. It doesn’t mean Fred is a good point guard. In fact Fred was a bad point guard last season. But we have no other options. That’s not really the position you want to be in. I think we deserve better than a guy who shot 38% from the field. Undersized and couldn’t hit a bucket. Yuck! Dude is declining. Don’t get conned Stone.
I really hope it's not anything close to $30M a year (unless it's like one guaranteed year at that level then the salary declines significantly over time). We'd be bidding against ourselves. Nobody has cap space that would want him, we'd be bidding against ourselves. $20M is already more than he can get from any other team after the down season he has had and given his age. I can understand them offering him that or a tad bit more to keep him happy and reward him for being a good leader for this young team, but too much more and it just starts getting into "bad GMing" territory.
