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“One playoff series doesn’t define a player.”

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Os Trigonum, May 6, 2025 at 1:51 PM.

  1. Stephen_A

    Stephen_A Member
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    I disagree but respect your opinion. Sengun continues to commit fouls he should have learned from and his FT’s have cost us multiple games. Not all his fault since there are other players that shot poor FT’s collectively. Also forces a great deal of shots as we saw in game 4 and game 7. I can go on and on. I have done the same with Green.

    Both guys are not championship material in my evaluation. Both guys have been both good and bad.
     
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    Bravo, you basically covered all scenarios which leaves him no choice but saying "I never said any of that", LAME! Well, I guess he just won't admit that Sengun improved more and is a better player than Jalen now. Some fans are just extreme.
     
  3. Corrosion

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    I'd probably b**** about 9/22 ...... but 9/22 sure beats what we saw from him in that series.

    He didn't want to compete.

    When teams blitz and double team Ant or SGA they make them pay. Jalen all but quit.
     
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    Ant hasn’t made no team pay the last 2 games - he lucked up Randle and company saved him vs Lakers ….now Curry hurt so we will see if they manage a W Game 2 but I expect his numbers to be similar or worse

    I don’t think JG quit, I think the gameplan he was given played a part in his aggression and when he did get a chance to hit a open shot, he was ****…

    we all know he wouldn’t get a chance to force up 22 shots… Ime would sit him so fast lol
     
  5. xtruroyaltyx

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    How many playoff series define a player?

    How many regular seasons?

    Is a players ever defined?

    Or we have to wait until they're 40 and look back at their career and say we shouldve seen the signs?

    This guy hasnt made any leap to becoming a starting level SG on a contending team. Hes worked hard to make himself into a career backup journeyman type of player. Kudos for that because lots of guys dont even get to that level.
     
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  6. Stephen_A

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    Again I did not say any of what the fan wrote in his response. That’s not the point. Stick to the topic here. My response was directly about the fan stating that Green has not progressed which is not factual. And the view that Sengun has progressed more than Green is once again mere opinion without facts to back up. I have been fair in evaluating both players and have no need to say what you want me to say or believe in what you perceive to be true. You simply made a statement without anything to substantiate your claim.
     
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    At this point, I'm praying with all my might we get the #1 pick and draft Cooper Flagg to save this franchise.

    I know the chances of it happening are like 3% but I'm starting to think our rebuild will never amount to a championship when I look at what our competition has.
     
  8. Little Bit

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    Yep, kpj would still be on the roster if it wasn’t for his domestic issue becoming public, but he had done a lot of other negative things behind the scenes that came out later after he was let go, yet Stone was still willing to keep him on the team. It was only after the public scrutiny that forced his hand.
     
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  9. Stephen_A

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    how do you know how he would turn out? Nothing is guaranteed
     
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    9/22 is 41%, which is better than Jalen shot in every game save one. Also, I'd be thrilled if Jalen could get 9 field goals. As it was he could barely get nine points in most games of that series.
     
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    Sengun is championship material, but probably not as the best player. Unless his shooting/FT shooting comes around soon, he's a #2 or #3 type of guy. You'd need a #1 option with a lot of gravity on the perimeter; maybe that will be Amen if he acquires a jump shot?

    JG is probably going to end up as a 6th man if he keeps on like this.
     
  12. Stephen_A

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    Edwards had 1 pt in the first half going 0-8. He heated up a bit in the 3rd when the wolves played 5 out ball with Reid as center. They ran some pistol plays for him and played quick. He didn’t do much damage and had 15 pts with 3:33 left. Wolves already down 16 or so points. He shot a couple 3s and got couple drives last 3 min with the small lineup again. He also wasn’t doubled or trapped as much as Green and when trapped much like Green he passed it out to the corner or wing. He also had 3 TO’s. We have seen him turn the ball over a bit in the playoffs in his career when pressed.

    The wolves offense is different. They play 4 out and gobert in the short corner or low block to give Randle and Ant driving lanes. With gobert on the bench they play 5 out. They have a lot of spacing. Again I wonder what guys like Ant or Booker or Brunson would do if they played in our current system with our current personnel. I would contend they wouldn’t be great. Maybe more efficient on 3s or long 2s or draw a few more fouls going to the paint but the outcome wouldn’t be much different. The zone and constant traps prevent this forcing Sengun and the rest of the Rockets to score.
     
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    Mobley took himself off the table. He’d already dealt with KPJ before and wasn’t going to do it again
     
  14. Swapshop

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    You guys need to calm down. We need more time to collect evidence. We can't really judge a player until after their 8th season.
     
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  15. Swapshop

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    I'm sold. Jalen deserves his 36 mil a year.
     
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    And that should be a big concern when it comes to Jalen. Champions often state that the playoffs are more mental. Their physical skills are a given but the mental aspect is what separates great players from not so great ones. In their first playoff series the baby Rockets who showed their mental mettle despite their flaws and inefficiencies were Alpi, Amen, and Bari. Those flaws are correctable with more offseason preparation and experience during intense pressures. I believe that these three players will improve immensely next season now that they have tasted playing on a higher level. Jalen's issue is his mental toughness which was relatively absent during most of the series. I hope that he learned a lot from this experience and play with more mental and physical toughness going forward.
     
  17. Stephen_A

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    I did not say anything about a player’s value in dollars.

    A player’s contract is not up to you to decide. Certainly you can have an opinion but every contract is negotiated with the best interest of the client in mind from an agent standpoint. You would want top dollars too if you were in that position. He has played well most of the year but you all were once again all over him after the first game. Waiting for a chance to pounce.

    Again the bias here is forgiving the sins of Sengun while demonizing the other. Accountability is often missing in a lot of these discussions. Sengun forced several shots in game 4 and 7. He often looks off wide open shooters and tries to score over tough paint defense. These are just 2 examples of his flaws. Yet this is often overlooked. This is the Fred vs Harden argument all over again. Get over it.

    It’s not one player that failed. The team failed in many areas starting with the sets we run and Udoka’s lack of creativity with the lineups.
     
  18. Stephen_A

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    Like what? His shooting and playmaking won a lot of games for this team especially down the stretch. He had an unspectacular playoff series where our offense once again stalled against zones and traps. As fans at some point we need to address the make up of this team and how we execute our offensive sets. As I said all along either Green goes or Sengun goes. It’s obvious their styles don’t mesh. It’s obvious this offensive scheme doesn’t work
     
  19. MystikArkitect

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    Cooper Flagg might be a better basketball player today than Jalen Green is.

    That's how good he is.
     
  20. Stephen_A

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    Still just a projection bro. Hundreds of players have been called the next big thing. He has yet to play one NBA game. This is very disrespectful to Jalen who has proved he can score and play in this league. This is the Reed Sheppard is better than Holliday argument all over again after he played one summer league game
     

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