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Kilmar Abrego Garcia will not be returned to the US

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RESINator, Apr 14, 2025.

  1. JuanValdez

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    His character and his identity don't matter to me in the least. The whole debate is about the process applied to his case. Garcia himself doesn't matter. He could be the leader of MS-13 and it wouldn't matter. Character assassination is a red herring.
     
  2. Amiga

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    Pretty much confirms what anyone in their right mind knows. He's just ignoring the SCOTUS.

    Trump says 'I could' get Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador - ABC News

    "You could get him back. There's a phone on this desk," Moran told Trump, pointing to the phone on the Resolute Desk.

    "I could," Trump conceded.

    "And if he were the gentleman that you say he is, I would do that," Trump offered, before saying, "I'm not the one making this decision."

    "You're the president," Moran told him.
     
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  3. tinman

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    These dummies always do this.

    They stumble all over themselves to lick the boot of the authoritarian when it's either their team's boot doing the stomping or it's on the neck of [insert identity group they dislike].

    No principles, no morals, just hate, anger and stupidity.
     
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  5. Salvy

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    Kilmar has the worst luck breh, imagine accidently falling and smashing your fists into your wifes face and then trying to regain control but instead of grabbing onto something it's her neck and she thinks he is beating her ....

    Then he files for asylum and the immigration court confuses him for an MS13 gang member and to top it all off the tattoo artist he went to got it all wrong when he was asking for pokemon characters on his knuckles...

    And after all of that!!!!! He randomly starts talking to a couple of guys he thinks could be new friends only for ICE to kick the door down and gets sent to Cecot where he learns his two new friends where actual MS13 gang members...

    Poor guy, bring him back bro...
     
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  6. Reeko

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    So we know he’s ignoring the SC ruling, but is there anything they can even do about it?

    they’re flat out trying to gaslight the public into believing the SC ruled 9-0 in their favor, and I have yet to see the SC say a peep…no clarification of their ruling or correction of the Trump regime’s lie

    SC: U must facilitate his return

    Authoritarian regime: No

    SC: Ok
     
  7. tinman

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    We can trade him for Britney Griner

    Oh wait, wrong criminal and country
     
  8. tinman

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    How about this breh ?
    Does the d&d love him too?
     
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    Judge bars deportations of Venezuelans from South Texas under 18th-century Alien Enemies Act

    A federal judge on Thursday barred the Trump administration from deporting any Venezuelans from South Texas under an 18th-century wartime law and said President Donald Trump’s invocation of it was “unlawful.”

    U.S. District Court Judge Fernando Rodriguez Jr. is the first judge to rule that the Alien Enemies Act cannot be used against people who, the Republican administration claims, are gang members invading the United States.

    “Neither the Court nor the parties question that the Executive Branch can direct the detention and removal of aliens who engage in criminal activity in the United States,” wrote Rodriguez, who was nominated by Trump in 2018. But, the judge said, “the President’s invocation of the AEA through the Proclamation exceeds the scope of the statute and is contrary to the plain, ordinary meaning of the statute’s terms.”

    In March, Trump issued a proclamation claiming that the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua was invading the U.S. He said he had special powers to deport immigrants, identified by his administration as gang members, without the usual court proceedings.

    “The Court concludes that the President’s invocation of the AEA through the Proclamation exceeds the scope of the statute and, as a result, is unlawful,” Rodriguez wrote.

    The Alien Enemies Act has only been used three times before in U.S. history, most recently during World War II, when it was cited to intern Japanese-Americans.

    The proclamation triggered a flurry of litigation as the administration tried to ship migrants it claimed were gang members to a notorious prison in El Salvador.

    Rodriguez’s ruling is significant because it is the first formal permanent injunction against the administration using the AEA and contends the president is misusing the law. “Congress never meant for this law to be used in this manner,” said Lee Gelernt, the ACLU lawyer who argued the case, in response to the ruling.

    Rodriguez agreed, noting that the provision has only been used during the two World Wars and the War of 1812. Trump claimed Tren de Aragua was acting at the behest of the Venezuelan government, but Rodriguez found that the activities the administration accused it of did not amount to an invasion or “predatory incursion,” as the statute requires.

    The Proclamation makes no reference to and in no manner suggests that a threat exists of an organized, armed group of individuals entering the United States at the direction of Venezuela to conquer the country or assume control over a portion of the nation,” Rodriguez wrote. “Thus, the Proclamation’s language cannot be read as describing conduct that falls within the meaning of ‘invasion’ for purposes of the AEA.”

    If the administration appeals, it would go first to the New Orleans-based 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. That is among the nation’s most conservative appeals courts and it also has ruled against what it saw as overreach on immigration matters by both the Obama and Biden administrations. In those cases, Democratic administrations had sought to make it easier for immigrants to remain in the U.S.

    The administration, as it has in other cases challenging its expansive view of presidential power, could turn to appellate courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court, in the form of an emergency motion for a stay pending an appeal.

    The Supreme Court already has weighed in once on the issue of deportations under the AEA. The justices held that migrants alleged to be gang members must be given “reasonable time” to contest their removal from the country. The court has not specified the length of time.

    It’s possible that the losing side in the 5th Circuit would file an emergency appeal with the justices that also would ask them to short-circuit lower court action in favor of a definitive ruling from the nation’s highest court. Such a decision likely would be months away, at least.

    The Texas case is just one piece of a tangle of litigation sparked by Trump’s proclamation.

    The ACLU initially filed suit in the nation’s capital to block deportations. U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg issued a temporary hold on removals and ordered the administration turn around planes that had left with detainees headed to El Salvador, a directive that was apparently ignored. Later, the Supreme Court weighed in.

    The justices stepped in again late last month with an unusual postmidnight order halting deportations from North Texas, where the ACLU contended the administration was preparing for another round of flights to El Salvador.
     
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  10. Salvy

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    Houston Father gets mistankely taken in to custody after shooting someone.... Of course they love him...
     
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  11. Salvy

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    Can we check if this guy has a wife before we throw him in jail?
     
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  12. Nook

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    Okay? They can find 10 more and it wouldn’t matter. It isn’t about Garcia - it is about the President of the United States refusing to follow the separation of powers and listen to the United States Supreme Court.
     
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  13. Salvy

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    @tinman

    What a great guy, bring him back....

     
  14. Salvy

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    Father, loving husband and Uber driver just trying to earn a living....

     
  15. Rileydog

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    The jury is still out on whether this guy is a good guy or bad guy. We are going to need much much more information before we can decide whether the “horrible person exception” to due process, as established in SCOTUS in Never v. Ever, applies.
     
  16. pgabriel

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    This is really sad that conservatives are using body camera footage of a non arrest to vilify this guy
     
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  17. No Worries

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    @Salvy has made up his mind and anybody who disagrees is mentally challenged or some such.
     
  18. Salvy

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    The chances of this happening to a normal immigrant without suspicion of being an MS13 gang member and human trafficking evidence are nearly impossible. To be honest I think Kilmar is a dumb ass for the people he chose to associate himself with and not a good person, I do think The Trump administration saw the MS13 findings by the immigration courts and off he went. The courts could very well have been right, so we are back to square one... Was Kilmar given due process? On his deportation no, probably not... However this dude was a free man here in this great country while also being a total ******* to his wife while actually trafficking people, he did get due process and that due process determined he was was a wife beater, potential ms13 gang member or affiliate and human trafficker. If Kilmar wouldn't have been involved in what he was he wouldn't be at Cecot..... Somewhere in El Salvador trying to get back maybe but not in prison...... Your guy is an @ss hole.....
     
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  19. No Worries

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    The SCWs also have the sworn testimony of a crooked cop which the courts dismissed out of hand.

    There is also that.
     
  20. Rileydog

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    Salvy and Crixtus are bonafide stupids. Literally stupid. So the only reason to respond is to mock or ridicule.

    You’re not going to get them to think, or read anything, or apply basic logic. It would be the same as trying to teach a seventh grader with who doesn’t want to be in class.
     
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