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Sengun has been awful when defended by Draymond..

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Pringles09, Apr 28, 2025.

  1. RHU525

    RHU525 Member
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    Yall are insane, Yao be injured after game 1 chasing this team around first. I don't think people understand math and why the post play is dying.

    Prime Shaq ts% in his mvp years was around 59%. If you gave him the ball every time he would get absolutely destroyed by the warriors. Same with prime yao in the playoffs 59%. The warriors would let him shoot every single time. 1 his stamina would never hold up for a whole game doing that.

    steph averages 63% for his career and in his prime was up to 67%. The warriors don't care if you post them up. Steph will blow them out the game especially with traditional bigs that won't leave the paint on defense.

    no center is helping this team with starting guards shooting 25%...
     
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  2. SamFisher

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    Rockets should trade for Monstrous Memphian - Zach Edey - the big Zach Attack will help us Zoom past the Warriors.
     
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    Show me one post of me "propping up Jalen" before the game? Go right ahead? You're just making up nonsense.
     
  4. zjcblord21

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    Chill man..I did not say how great he was...I understand the frustration seeing him injured all the time...who doesn't...

    I just say he can dominates this series.

    Talking about Jazz series specifically. It's not Boozer alone destroyed him, it's UTAH's whole system. UTAH has Boozer, Okur, AK, and Millsap...and look at what Yao got as backups, Juwan Howard with 5 points 4 rebounds per game in the series, Hayes with 4 points 6 rebounds per game, Mutombo only plays 6 mins per game. Yao made enough damage on the offense end by giving Okur 4 fouls every game, on the defense end, he needs to guard Boozer together with UTAH's very good fronline.

    It seems that Yao was destroyed by Boozer and Deron's pick n roll. Yes, Boozer scored a lot from pick n roll. Why? Because after every pick n roll, Yao was instructed to always focus on Deron and preventing him from scoring. Deron's prime time was from 2007 to 2013. Do you know there were only two of his Playoff series where his points per game were less than 20. The lowest one was against Rocekts, standing at 16.3 per game.

    If you compare Yao's stats with Boozer's stats in that series, it is bascially a draw. Yao does not have enough support like Boozer get from his teammates. Anyway, I don't see the current Warriors has the frontlines as good as UTAH. That's why I say Yao would dominate them.
     
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  5. Rocket River

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    Bull
    We lost because Yao went down . . .period
    and we were winning because TMAc went down

    Rocket River
     
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  6. Coach AI

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    Honestly it's not even just one on one with draymond. It's very strange: a lot of short clankers even when he's taking wide open jumpers or floaters from the free throw line and closer in the paint.
     
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    This was your takeaway from that series? T-mac was the best player by far in that Utah Series. It wasn't even close. Don't say Yao didnt have help. He just has too many deficiencies.
     
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    Absolutely insane take. Its' not even a guarantee we beat them if he stayed healthy, and you aren't winning anything with Aaron Brooks as your best player. We still had 2 more series to go. You act like we were on the doorstep of the finals.

    T-mac carried Yao for years but Yao tries hard and is loved by fans and Tmac quit on the team. No one truly beleives Yao Ming is a better player than Tracy Mcgrady except haters.
     
  9. zjcblord21

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    Of course he did, who is perfect? T-mac was great but other than these two, look at what Rockets got back then. If Morey can come in earlier, we may have a better chance.

    Anyway, the whole discussion is not related to this thread's main topic. I agree with you that main issue is our backcourt, we definitely need to upgrade it in the summer.
     
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  10. pmac

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    It's a lower percentage play for the NBA as a whole but it's not the low percentage play for this team.

    "Open shot on the perimeter" is a wasted possession for this team's brick layers.
     
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  11. RHU525

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    I don't mind him going to Sengun but I think he shoulda went to Amen. The whole warriors team knew Sengun was getting the ball. We should have ran a fake action for Amen off an Adam's screen to give him a better matchup. He was cooking in the 4th making mid range hitting crazy layups and it wouldn't have been expected. And attacking a DPOY is never the best bet. If sengun was to get it they needed to get Draymond off him.
     
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    Sure Jan. Game 1 Sengun went 7-10 when guarded by Draymond - https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...n-draymond-playoff-matchup-stats-20287740.php

    "Şengün was primarily guarded by Green and shot 7-of-10 from the field but also committed three of his five turnovers against the Warriors veteran, per NBA matchup tracking data"

    Sengun dominated him in 1 game. Draymond dominated him in 1 game and 2 games were largely stalemate's b/n the two. Perhaps the best post defender of his era is getting crazy leeway physically and dominated a 22 year old. Wow, you gonna start screaming if the Sun comes up tomorrow? Maybe if water is proven wet?

    You want to cry an entire ****ing river on this? Damn sister maybe chill the F out w/ your drama "Dray's his father" FOH you aint no Rockets fan.

    Sengun absolutely needs to be better. But not nearly as much as fake ass Rockets fans need to improve their bullshit.
     
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    Sengun is 13-35 from the field this series when guarded by Draymond…that’s 37%

    that means he’s 6-25 since game 1

    u really thought u had something, huh

    try again dummy
     
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    Something I don't understand - when Alpi gets the ball in the post, why are our perimeter players so loathe to rotate to spots that make the outlet pass easier. For example, if the direction Alpi is facing is 12:00, why are the perimeter players always around 3:00 or 9:00 instead o 1:00 or 11:00? Back in the Hakeem days, the entry passer always seemed to stay directly in front of Hakeem, and while I know defenses have changed, the general concept that perimeter players should get to spots where they can receive the pass has not changed

    Last night, I saw FVV rotate to the spot immediately opposite Sengun. Alpi made a perfect outlet pass and FVV hit the three. I'd like to see this same action more often and with Jabari in particular. There's a lot of criticism about not getting Jabari the ball, but it seems to me that if he could be a reliable entry passer to Alpi and then move along the perimeter to give Alpi the best angles for outlet passes, he'd be getting a lot more shots.
     
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    I don't time for fake ass fan bullshit. If I go 7/10 in one game, 1/2, 1/2, and 4/21...that's 6-25 over the 4 games (for example, re: illustrative purposes only)

    That's 1 game dominated by both players, and 2 stalemate's in the middle. I'm not going to listen to your fake ass fan b****fest AND teach you math.

    FOH. San Antone is any which way but here homey...F O H. Fakeass bullshit fans.
     
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  16. Reeko

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    sorry kid, but 1-2, 1-2, and then 4-21 isn’t close to what happened so your little illustration is irrelevant

    your little tantrum is hilarious as well

    try again
     
  17. BiGGieStuFF

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    If Adams can be out on the court with nearly zero offensive presence, then Yao can easily be out there. He doesn't have to chase anything. They just need to zone it up and as long as he's effective on offense, teams will need to match up with him.
     
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    In general we stand around way too much.

    Even in non-post up situations when the ball handler is stuck nobody runs to the ball. This is somewhat on players but mainly on coaching. Everyone needs to understand if their man goes to help on the ball handler thats your cue to cut.
     
  19. Scarface281

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    Yao also had a money mid-range that in today's era would have been stretched out to the 3 point line. His teammates would not be going all crazy in excitement for making a 3 because it would be the norm.
     
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  20. Nook

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    Draymond Green is the best overall defender of his generation - and his ability to not only cover the defensive shortcomings of people like Curry, but to limit and sometimes shut down people like Sengun is why he is so incredibly important to the Warriors and such a valuable player.

    Sengun is a very good player, you can win a lot with him on your team - he just isn't a number one scorer or player.
     

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