Exactly!! Like, 38 points in a single game was great, but in the other 3 games he didn’t even make it to a double-digit!! I can understand if he had like one game of 7-8 points, but three?? If he could just hit all of his 3 ft tonight, and maybe one more field goal, it would have been enough for us to win. I hope we are able to take game 5 without relying on a 30+ points game from Jalen. Let’s wrap Jalen and several Suns FRPs for Booker and see where he gets us next year.
I understand the attempted point of view, but the answer simply is these mfers can't shoot.. Grit and hustle works during the season but playing a team in a series will get you exposed, and cause friction among the fanbase and front office.. We won cause Jimmy went out.. Wasn't cause of Green's 40 piece IMO. From my recollection, his biggest scoring outputs have been in blowouts where games are pretty much decided soon after halftime. I was a big Green fan but I'm ready to look for better options, no matter the positives and negatives of the trade..
Maybe the only intelligent thing I heard Barkley say all season, was when he was talking about Jalen and how even though a player is capable of scoring 40, but also capable of scoring 9 from game to game, you can’t win like that. Consistency makes all the difference in the world, especially in the playoffs. While I’m still not out on Jalen I don’t think he can be our #1 or even #2 guy. Which begs the question, why are we paying him near-max money next season. i think Sengun is our #2 and I don’t think we have a #1. Not sure where Jalen fits in now that he’s off his rookie scale contract.
ime sudoku could've prolly suited up and played better. he could be our player-coach for 10 mins a game during crucial moments
Jordan came into the league at 198 pounds not 175 pounds Jordan always had 3-point shooters (Jalen had C Wood and Eric Gordon and that was arguably Greens best year efficiency wise). Jordan was only on a "Tanking team" for his first two years. Jordan had a legendary Coach in Dean Smith from age 18-20 while Jalen Green had Brian Shaw and Silas who was Tanking and sticking Jalen Green in the corner for most of his first season because it was more important to showcase House, Eric Gordon, and J Tate for trade value. Jordan had a decent coach in Doug Collins but flourished in the Triangle Offense of Phil Jackson......yeah that Phil Jackson that ran the Triangle Offense in Los Angeles which also made Kobe Bryant a star. This day and age allows zone defenses which has diminished Triangle offensive schemes and Post Ups. Jordan was a slam dunk contest freak and like most slam dunkers.....they spend more time working on dunks than shooting 3's. Jordan was a terrible 3-point shooters. In today's game Jordan would be asked to shoot about 8 three's to open things up for others. Had this discussion with BobbytheGreat and he stressed Jale. Green is a "Shooting Guard," he kinda needs to be able a shoot. Yeah, Jordan was also a "SHOOTING GUARD" but couldn't shoot 3's most of his career. The Jordan is saw would miss his first four shoots and then get a layup or dunk....some free throws and then nail his mid range shots. Rarely did I see Jordan start the game killing mid rangers until he attacked the rim first. Jordan was not a good shooter in college either. Jordan age 18, 19 and 20.... equates to Greens first two seasons. Now if only Jalen could get to 198 pounds. Jalen needs to work all summer on putting on muscle.....shooting 3's. Get with a shooting coach. Jalen has decent mechanics.....just needs to improve focus on each shoot and back spin. Already has good enough arch. Harden is actually the comp to Greens playoff showing. When the Warriors blitzed Harden to get the ball out of his hands. Had about 12 turnovers, but had good 3-point shooters around him that didn't produce. BigMaloe is correct in the fact that Jalen Green had a bad game. Seemed nervous still. The mid range shot is always available against the Warriors. Jalen should be a better mid range shooter. Jalen missing Free Throws was evidence of that. Imo. Sengun was also garbage as the whole team was garbage from the free throw line. Warriors made 18 more points than the Rockets from 3. Warriors were something like 20/22 from the free throw line. Rockets missed 12 free throws. Jalen is not making enough 3's or All the missed FT's as Jalen sat for a good amount of time. Udoka went with defense over offense with players like Adams. Amen and Dillion. Yes Jalen was a -11......but Amen was -17 and Dillion -9 and still we're out there in crunch time. I said use Jeff Green and Holiday more (for FT's and 3's).....the one game we won had Holiday play some minutes.
In the minutes that he played he hurt us a lot. And Sengun didn’t play great he missed a million easy shots. And team missed a ton of free throws. And Dylan got a weak call on Buttler because he’s a moron and out his hands on a three point shooter.
Well the Rockets front office made their decision whenever a player capable of scoring points became available. Whether it be Harden in FA or later KD or Fox or Butler in trades. For better or worse, Stone hitched his wagon to Jalen cause Jalen is his baby and everything is designed to cater to him. So you gotta hope he turns it around cause the Rockets front office keep treating him like a franchise player
This is it right here! We can't win because when he doesn't play well he plays terrible. He had 5 live ball turnovers last night which resulted in at least 10 points for Warriors and he only scored 8 points. When everyone else doesn't play well they still contribute and don't hurt the team. Jalen is either really good or hurts the team and there's no in between. Which is why he'd be better as a 6th man.
I mean, it makes sense. If you look at the true contenders, the constant is they can rely on their top 3 guys giving them 60 - 70 ppg. When Jalen is playing well, that isn’t a problem — you can count on 16 - 18 from Amen, 20 - 22 from Sengun, and 25 - 30 from Jalen. However, the inconsistency from Jalen truly kills the balance of the offense. This is why I’ve said we’re a consistent 25+ ppg guy away from true contention. I still think there’s a chance Jalen can develop into that, though I also wouldn’t fault the Rockets for trading for someone who can provide that output on a consistent basis.
I'd be interested to see what would have happened if we had a real coach that developed Cam and Reed throughout the season and had them in rotation in this first round. Right now we live and die with Jalen because Ime made it that way... but it doesn't have to be that way.
The Rockets don’t know if they have a superstar or not because they don’t have a offensive system or hierarchy You put Bari on GS and he shooting 15-18 shots a game You put JG with any offensive minded coach and he’s not getting schemed to 8-10-12 FGAs You put Alpi with a offensive minded coach and his passing would be highlighted more Rockets did right thing with FVV and DB to help swing culture and bring maturing into the locker room but Rockets has never established who the Alpha is I remember games where we would come out and feature Bari in the offense and he would drop 10-15 in 1st qtr and then get 3 shots the rest of game Same with JG and Alpi … because we have no offensive flow or system …when we get into a playoff series where a opposing staff can focus on US it’s exposed GS will trade 2 for 3’s all series …
I mean, you’re not wrong. “Sometimes you, sometimes me” is nice in theory, but when you look at contenders, the offensive hierarchy is pretty clear. This is why I’m in favor of letting FVV walk - I think he’s too much of a crutch for Ime, but he’s not good enough to be a top three option on a contending team.
I'm not mad at Jalen for not being good enough, I'm mad at the Rockets for pretending that he is when building this roster. I didn't love the extension when it happened, but for better or worse he has a sizeable contract now and is likely not a positive asset anymore. We'll see what changes they make to this roster. Green is 6th man bench offense on an actual contender. I bet Jalen goes off in game 5, only to vanish back into the mist for game 6. That's just who he is.
Even including his one really awesome game, his TS% for the playoffs is 48.9% and his defensive numbers have been equally pathetic. All we needed was decent, but all he had to give was dogshit.
I doubt Barkley watched him much, he came up with this while a lot of CFers have known that since Year 1 or Year 2.
Who currently is projecting to be a superstar that was available with those picks? Jalen Williams maybe? Who else that they could've gotten? Mobley is a great defender but not a star or a superstar. Banchero was gone. Cade was gone. Victor was gone. Reed is still the best talent in his draft for what its worth. The reality is that with all of the available players that the Rockets could've drafted....they actually did manage to draft the one player with potential superstar upside. The real miss was Franz Wagner.
We can’t win with Alpi taking 28 shots and missing 16 … Ime fell into the same trap he’s trying to set for Curry FGA last night JG - 8 DB - 7 Bari - 4 Eason - 1 We were 11-23 from 3 GS took 46 3s … they doubled up the 3pt attempts while giving us all the paint shots we could like Ime has a broken offensive system
Rockets made the right picks - they didn’t handle player development well, they wasted time with Wall, KPJ, Wood etc etc They didn’t get JG a actual player development coach, they used John Lucas who tried to speed up JG shot and has broken it (off the dribble) Ben Sullivan was supposed to be some guru to help our players shooting and I haven’t seen it Alpi has regressed both in passing and his touch around the rim Bari has been used wrong since he’s gotten here - he showed us how well he can play in Summer League as a high option player and then season starts and he’s the 5-7th option
I seem to remember some chatter that Evan Mobley told the Rockets in no uncertain terms he did not want to come to Houston. I would've drafted him regardless and called his bluff because I felt like he was the pick at the time. But, Fertitta seemed to fall for Jalen and here we are. I don't know if Scottie Barnes was ever an option. Jabari was a popular #1 pick throughout most of his time at Auburn and felt like a nice consolation price in 2022. Amen at #4 was a no-brainer in 2023. The real issue is that tanking doesn't guarantee anything; we missed out on Cade, Paolo and Wembanyama all because the lottery balls didn't go our way. You have to nail your picks when you're unlucky and drafting Jalen #2 in 2021 is the biggest miss of this era when he's surrounded by all-stars on the draft board.
