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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BigMaloe, Apr 29, 2025.

  1. BigMaloe

    BigMaloe Member

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    It is hard to overcome. I agree. I think they clearly have the 2 best players. 3 is debatable but in this matchup their 3rd nuetralizes our 1st. so maybe.

    I thought fred probably played the best game he could? This is an A game from him. HE made shots tonight

    Sengun coulda been more efficient, but i think he was great.

    Is that not good enough to overcome a bad game from your leading scorer?

    Do i really have to rely on Jalen? because having to rely on Jalen is not healthy, or smart.
     
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    this is just silly narrative. he WAS benched and we STILL lost.

    WHY?
     
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    The facts are, as we are currently built, we need an offensive superstar at Jalen's position to succeed in the post-season.

    Without that, we have zero chance of winning any games against any contenders.

    We need to upgrade the PG position too, FVV has been inconsistent all year round and is getting paid way too much for what he provides.
     
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    Easy, it took a breakout game to win against a Butler less Worriers.
    You could slot in FVV with 40 points or Dillon with 39 points.

    • Yes, again, you have to re-structure the offense with knockdown snipers instead of inconsistent streaky shooters.

    • Or have somebody like Antman.
    • The solution is not that hard - The Rockets went the JVG style of All Defense and not reliable Offense and we are missing out on Atkinson instead of Udoka.........They took Silas instead of Atkinson.
    Sengün and FVV are alright were they were, Sengün is a 16th pick and FVV is not even drafted.

    Jalen and Jabari are Top 3 picks....no excuses there.

    And why the fook would you waste 2-3 years on KPJ and Christian Wood?

    The organization is still paying for the price it took to get this far. (They made horrible between obviously good choices, and when they had the culture, they were missing the Alpha dude/reliable shooters)


     
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    Even Amen finally arrived in the playoffs. Took him 3 1/2 games to get here, but he finally got aggressive.
     
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    It's not Jalen playing well.

    It's that Jalen just needs to show up and pretend like he belongs on the court, and not be a net negative.

    Playing 4 on 5 isn't fair on everyone else in the lineup.

    We don't need a 30ppg scorer at the SG position, we need a consistent 17-20ppg scorer.
     
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    To be fair, the games are pretty close, all it took was for Quinten Post or Gary Payton to score 15 or 13.

    Virtually 2nd stringers to have a decent game.

    GSW protected their Home Games and stole 1 at Toyota Center.....this is the summary of 1-3.
     
  8. Reeko

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    I get the premise of this thread, but I would respond with this question: Can we win if Jalen is just average or slightly above?

    he exploded in game 2, but aside from that has been nonexistent

    If Jalen had let’s say 20 or 22 points tonight, which is something I wouldn’t classify as a great game, would we have won tonight?

    same with game 1…If everyone else’s performance had stayed the same, but Jalen gave us 20 points, do we win that game?

    Jalen’s great game 2 was enough for us to blow them out and win comfortably, but if he’s just average, is that enough to squeak out some of these close games?
     
  9. Damion Laverne

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    A league-average starting SG could’ve been the difference.
     
  10. Damion Laverne

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    if we could get 22-25 points on 15-17 shots every game from him, we could be up 3-1 instead of down 3-1. The consistency is bad
     
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    FVV and Sengun had 56, 12, 11 combined with 2 Turnovers in 82 minutes. Jalen had 3 turnovers only in the first 3 minutes of the game. lol.
     
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    Because. He. No-showed.

    It was NOT because he didn't play great.

    QUESTION: Can you understand the difference? (Yes/No)
     
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    Easy. He was benched too late, and he played 24:53 minutes more than he should have.
     
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    The answer is yes.

    I said it at the start, this series is on Jalen and its only because he's so inconsistent. IF Jalen went out and got 30 a game we'd be talking about a sweep right now.

    If Jalen just had an average game at worst its 2-2. The swings from 7 points to 38 is what hurts, because one moment he looks like Kobe Bryant and the next he looks Gary Mathews. The great players average games are good games for other players. So 20 wouldn't be great, but you see if Edwards has a 20 point game we're saying it's a bad game for him depending on the %s. Jalen's bad games are just too near the floor but his good games he looks like a top 5 scorer in the NBA.

    Sengun isn't enough to overcome this Warriors team. He's doing his best but he also has one of the best low post defenders of all time on him. Jalen has to step up.

    This game should have been a W though if they had hit their FTs.
     
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    Can’t tie our fortunes to Jalen. Too much of a mystery box.
     
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    this to me is the main justification for a Devin Booker trade…he can give u upper-tier Jalen performances on a consistent basis…he’s like having at least a B to A version of Jalen on a night to night basis whereas Jalen will give u anywhere from F to A on any given night…the downside is that he would cost an arm, a leg, and the house to acquire when he’s not quite at that superstar level
     
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    the free throw shooting is what kills me the most…you’d have thought we went through 10 possessions of hack-a-Deandre Jordan with the percentages we’re finishing these games with

    Jalen could give us 15 points, and that could be enough to win some of these games if they shot a respectable percentage from the line

    it would probably be better if Jalen could manage to be consistently mid rather than going from Michael Jordan to Jordan Poole with no warning…there’s no rhyme or reason to his performances…he could drop 30 or 10 in game 5, it’s anyone’s guess

    this series hasn’t shown us that we can’t win unless Jalen is great, it’s shown us that if he is great, we can blow them out…we haven’t seen him be average yet

    and then on the flip side, he is also the only guy on this roster who can have those great superstar type games…Jalen is an enigma
     
  18. daywalker02

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    Too many good players, not 1 great player.

     
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    The thing is, I''m wondering if that last part is even true.

    We have multiple top 5 prospects on this team and I feel like we're so forcing Jalen that other guys aren't given that chance to be that.

    Let's forget Reed here, he was #3 in a very weak draft, hope he works out but I'm not talking about him.

    Jabari has been coming along, his midrange is getting more consistent, his three point shot is there now, he's 21. We should be doing more with him than we do.

    Then you have Cam, who was mocked to be a top 5 or 7 pick but likely dropped because of attitude issues. We see the skills he has but bro never plays, so he never develops.

    I'm not saying these guys can be that but I wish they were given more of a chance to show if they can. I feel like if Jalen goes out like this, having another terrible game 5, at the very least the Rockets should demote him when it comes to his role on the team. He's had ample opportunity to be the #1 guy here and at this point it's time to see what our other top 5 picks can do with more usage.
     
  20. JayGoogle

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    Well it's fine since they are young and that does matter, most players hit their prime at 25. Most players are struggling in the NBA at Jalen's age but like I mentioned in the game thread his mentality is what worries me.

    I want to see a killer out there at some point. Someone that isn't going to let traps and double teams take him completely out of the game and this isn't that he has to jack up shots but make the Warriors FEEL you out there.
     
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