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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. fchowd0311

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    Were there rule changes and offensive philosophy changes that account for any miniscule difference in league averages between 2021 and 2025? If not then any variation is due to simple noise.
     
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    He needs to work on that. He rely too much on his first step, rather than ball fakes. Steph is all about ball fakes and handle.

    If he continue to work on his game, next yr Jalen will be a star, in 2yrs a super star.
     
  3. BigMaloe

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    The problem is Fred has been the biggest detriment to winning during this series.

    It's become clear we have to sever ties with fred this off season.
     
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    Ime is obsessed with possession numbers and therefore he is deathly afraid of turnovers.

    Other teams let their best perimeter creator rack of 5 turnovers but Ime usually turns to Feed like 4 possessions in a row after a single Jalen turnover.

    Ime needs to just remove the training wheels and let Green play through mistakes. This "everyone gets a turn" offense gets our best perimeter creator out of rhythm. Jalen builds rhythm through the ball being in his hands. His shot becomes broke if he stands around for multiple possessions in a row and then suddenly gets a pass for a catch and shoot attempt. He isn't that type of shooter. He's a rhythm on ball player.

    This helps with Jalen's psychology also. If he fears making mistakes will reduce his role he will second guess passes, dribble moves etc and not rely on his muscle memory he developed through training and reps.
     
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    Ironically enough, our least amount of turnovers this series was in game 3 when Jalen dominated the rock and fred took a backseat.

    We play faster and looser as a team with the ball in his hands vs our slow methodical pace with Fred.

    Whether you think sengun, green or amen to be playing terribly and needing to play better is irrelevant, to what should be a universally shared truth...

    That Fred has been an offensive liability and we need to upgrade the PG spot more than any other position or any other roster change this off-season.
     
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  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota Rockets forever!
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    He has no floater, no mid range, nothing but rim and step back 3, his handle is suspect too - he is still a project, you can't count on him to score in important games - because if you focus on him you can shut him down, and we don't have enough other good players to make them pay.

    Jalen is a GOOD, not GREAT player, and has been a pro for 5 years, his weaknesses have been the same for 5 years.

    He isn't all that.

    DD
     
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    lord you can’t be blind - He can get past his man easily, they are shading him with another man and then Draymond or Looney at the rim…

    He literally has to drive past GPJ or Kaminga, then Post or Moody and finally Draymond at rim …. Even in the highlights

    Jesus DD
     
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  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Rockets forever!
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    No he can't - he couldn't get by a focused defender like Curry - he is NOT a great 1v1 player. And yes, if he did get by, not consistently but he does at times, he has NO BAG for defense in the paint.....no floater, no stop and pop, nothing.

    The NBA, hell all sports are about countering, and outsmarting your man, Jalen has gotten by on athleticism his entire career but when challenged he struggles.

    DD
     
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    He doesn’t have a floater, he does have a midrange - he doesn’t use it for whatever reason ( it’s the Rockets) Harden had midrange and never used it vs GS … because of analytics

    And he could get past a focused Curry, once again the issue is what’s behind Curry… it’s why Ime and Kerr and Calvin all said he was making the right reads in Game 3 ….

    but go off…
     
  10. topfive

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    Something I've noticed about Jalen and wanted to see if anyone else has seen it...

    There are certain games when a competition surfaces between Jalen and a single player on the opposition. Often there's trash talking involved. When those moments come up and it becomes more of me-against-you instead of my-team-against-yours, Jalen usually rises to the occasion. It's almost like a pick-up game mentality really seems to motivate him.

    Anyone else notice this?
     
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  11. Dobbizzle

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    He's always been a confidence player. If he's off-kilter he sucks (see game 1 especially.) If you let him feel like the superstar or piss him off to get his confidence soaring then he's a superstar. It's why he had that "March Jalen" run when Alpi went out, he was cast in the star role as the saving hero so his confidence was up knowing he wasn't going to play second-option.
     
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    Why would you say he has a midrange? He's terrible from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-23. He took the 8th most mid rangers in the league this season and shot 36.2%. That's the lowest % of anyone in the top 50 in attempts.
     
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    He is not a great player, he has major weaknesses in his game EXPLOITABLE weaknesses.....I would sell high.

    DD
     
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    DD was implying he doesn’t take midrange - well you just proved he takes them, even if he doesn’t make them at a high clip…and even then he goes 3-5 games between midrange attempts

    He does shoot 80s from FT range so I’m hoping for improvement in that area -
     
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    lol we have all learned to do the opposite of what you say…. I want to see JG with a real PG within the next 2 years then I will pass final judgement
     
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    By volume vs percentage you would conclude he's the single worst midrange shooter in the nba. That would be the opposite of "having a midrange game".
     
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    His bad games seem to happen when Ime has want to come out and established Alpi - so we start with FVV feeding the post ….its like JG aggressiveness disengages

    That’s a trait he needs to drop if he to ever take the next step
     
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    now you doing too much
     
  19. Francis3422

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    I think there’s multiple factors here. None of y’all are wrong.

    1. There are times where his bag is somewhat limited and he struggles to get past the first defender.

    2. we aren’t doing any favors to him with the spacing.

    3. there’s been very little coaching to draw him up a few open. Looks to maybe get him going.

    4. I really think phrasing it as he’s been a pro for 5 years is eh. Covid year in the G league and two years of Silas don’t really count.


    on top of the above, I think his defense this series has been very good. From the entire team it’s been solid. Everyone will need to make adjustments in the off-season. That’s roster, skill and coaching.

    what I would do for tonight and going forward in the series…. I would give Shepp a few minutes and try to create a couple open looks for him and see if he can catch fire. or if we are really adverse to playing the young guys expand the rotation for holiday and uncle Jeff.

    we have to generate a few more open trees than we are getting. Especially for Brooks and Smith.

    and I would continue to give the ball to Alpi. a little bit more off ball movement, and maybe even positioning him at the elbow.
     
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    He's genuinely somebody who really looks like he needs therapy to maximise his abilities they're that tied to his confidence/moods. If you don't get his confidence up early, he's probably not having one of his superstar performances. If you don't manage to turn him round quickly he's probably going to be a disaster.
     
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