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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. astrosrule

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    Sengun and Amen being absolutely horrible was the problem yesterday. They were both WAY worse than jalen.
     
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    No gonna kill Jalen over this performance. Too many other bad performances to single him out. I’ve bought into Jalen because of his improvement this season. I’m a believer and my hope is that the inconsistency will improve over time. He’s also running with a terrible backcourt mate. Fred has been a straight up bad point guard this yr. I’m betting Jalen rebounds in game 4.
     
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    it most he could of gotten a few FTs and maybe hit 1-2 more 3s that he missed… but he played the right way … only way he would of been more aggressive is to have the ball the whole time / but Ime made the gameplan seem to attack the paint
     
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    You seem to hope for this to happen and them to lose just to prove your point. Well done and congrats, I suppose?
     
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  6. topfive

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    Answer: Yes. Yes, he would. Cam Whitmore wouldn't have done sh!te against Curry because he isn't very good yet.

    Argue all you want that Ime should've played him more this year, but as things stand, Cam would have been a net negative in a road playoff game against a uber-experienced team like GS.
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    Two things can be right at the same time.

    Jalen was too passive. He could have tried to relocate after passing off a double team or blitz to get himself more looks.

    Ime is bad at coaching schemes to relocate Jalen or at least take advantage of the 4 on 3 advantages created.


    Out of the starters, Jalen probably is the least responsible for the loss but at the same time if he's trying to solidify himself as a 1A level offensive option he has to learn to overcome being guarded like Steph Curry. We saw Curry and how he overcame that type of defense by constantly relocating. Curry also has the ultra soft touch around the rim to not have to force the issue and just float it over defenders in ultra tight spaces like butter.
     
  8. Hank McDowell

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    Jalen was a pathetic defender, but he worked on that and improved dramatically. His effort level in particular. The next step has to be his consistency. He can't be THE man unless you know you can rely on him damn nearly all the time. Right now every game is anyone's guess in terms of what he brings on offense. Until he fixes that, it's on Udoka to adjust, which he is doing a poor job of doing also. That's a tough combination to overcome.
     
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    Until Jalen learns how to get past the blitzes and adjust accordingly he'll continue to be inconsistent tbh. That's going to be a big hurdle for him, because teams WILL just put all of their focus on him to shut him down because they know the rest of the team has no chance to make up the difference the majority of the time.
     
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    I agree! I've always said the Rockets needed another wing scorer next to Jalen. I love Amen's game but having him and FVV on the court does not help offensively.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Maybe, or rather likely, but he couldn't have been worse.

    DD
     
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  12. fchowd0311

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    Is Cam creating the 4 on 3 advantages that Green creates on a regular basis?

    Is Cam garnering the gravity and defensive attention that Keer has put on Jalen?

    If Cam can produce Green numbers while being face guarded and doubled which creates advantages for his teammates, then sure replace Green.

    But Cam has not once in his NBA career faced defensive coverages that Jalen Green experiences on a nightly basis.

    A reasonable argument can be made that Cam should play next to Green for stretches to offload some offensive pressure. But Cam would fall apart and have 8 turnovers to 4 assists if he was defended like Jalen throughout a game.
     
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    The disrespect should be as loud as the praise. Is that the quote?
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    Do you do any actual on court basketball analysis?
    Or is everything platitudes for you?
     
  15. hlmbasketball

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    A million yrs?? That's a long time. I think you're over exaggerating the situation. Remember Jalen came into the league as just a scorer. No playmaking, no defense and poor handles.

    Now in his 4th yr, and all you can say is he is inconsistent. He has improved his defense, ball handling and his playmaking. If the last stage of his improvement is consistency.....ILL TAKE IT FROM A 23YR OLD WHOSE PLAYING IN HIS FIRST PLAYOFF SERIES.

    I'm looking at "CC" against NY and he was drafted #1. The same thing Jalen does, he is doing. You complain about Jalen's ballhandling, "CC" had 6 turnovers in a pivotal Game 4. If that were Jalen, I'm sure you would pinpoint that!

    However, as I have said Jalen needs another dynamic PERIMETER scorer next to him. The more I see this series, the more I'm toren or not if Sengun is a fit. I think this season and this series is starting to make things more clear.....When Jalen scores 30pts or more, we win!

    WITH ANOTHER SCORER NEXT TO JALEN, HOW MUCH BETTER WOULD WE BE? AND COULD THAT BE CAM OR KD?
     
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    The Rockets are doing twice as much to Curry as the Warriors are to Jalen and the guy still goes off. Jalen is guarded 1v1 most of the time and dies the minute a help defender encroaches on his drive or causes him to pick up his dribble. The lack of offense he has that isnt a jacked up 3 or a clear-cut drive to the rim is nuts. No floater. No middie. No stop and pop. No touch off the glass. There's almost zero finesse to his game 4 years in. People who think that hes getting trapped and doubled (especially yesterday) are deluded.

    Game 3 he was guarded 1v1 by Kuminga, Moody, Podz or Steph. It is true that the Warriors funnel him in and help on his drives where he needs to dump off to a safety valve and if those players were better shooters then it would allow him more room. The issue with that is that the players that would need to be replaced (or would need to improve their jumpers which truthfully they should) are much better than he is. And the reality is that he is the one that needs to be replaced to accommodate them. Not the other way around. Why would you build around a lesser talent?

    The Warriors were unfocused in Game 2. They played good defense again in Game 3 and we got another classic bad Jalen game. They didn't allow him any room to launch 3s and forced him into being a decision maker. His decision often times was to dump off to Sengun or Amen at the FT line which usually generated a bad shot.

    Jalen isnt the only problem. There are several. He's just the worst one. Him and Tari Eason. I'd package both this summer. Tari is a bandaid on a wound that needs surgery and his success on this team is more of a byproduct of how abysmal this offense is. Causes his impact to look much better because of the chaos he generates. Adams is another frankly. Looks better because he gets offensive rebounds off of our misses.

    I've seen enough from Jalen this season and this playoffs. I know what Im going to get from him. I won't react to his highs or his lows. He is what he is. And this is what he does. Just needed to see him do the same song and dance in the playoffs. And he has.
     
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  17. B-Bob

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    That's not totally wrong, but two things I noticed:
    * Jabari looked to be feeling it, and I could have sworn I saw him mouth "get me the ball" at one point after one of his 3s.
    * Alpi missed a number of bunnies short off the front iron. Not sure what was up with that.

    The coaching complaints seem on point. As much as we all get sick of Kerr, he actually is a good bball coach and will be in the hall of fame, unfortunately.
     
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    Anyone you have to explain this to will probably never get it.
     
  19. Dobbizzle

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    I think this is fair. Which then brings us to the point that we now need to look to the people paid to be the stars (Fred and Alpi) or touted to be the future megastar (Amen) to carry us to the wins, and not blaming the microwave role player scorer for the superstars not carrying us. You don't blame JJ Redick and Jamal Crawford when CP3 and Blake Griffin can't close out a win...
     
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    Last night Jalen's DFG Diff% was the second best in the whole team (-10.4%), besides Adams (-31.9%). Yes he was jammed and didn't do well in scoring, but he has done anything he could on other ends.
     
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