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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. dobro1229

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    I also do not believe for 2 seconds that Trump actually wants Putin to stop. I 100% believe that Trump wants Ukraine to bend the knee, become a vasal state for Russia, and for Russia to be THE dominant force in Europe to those pesky European Democracies that he & JD hate more than anything. He wants more pressure on Kyiv... not less.

    Trump only wants the narrative that Putin and Russia are this big superpower who would have dominated, and enslaved Ukraine, and Europe, but because of the TRUMP ART OF THE DEAL Trump negotiated with Putin to allow Ukraine, and Europe to bend the knee and live in peace under the rule of emperor Putin. Ruler of Europe.

    Trump, Putin, and Xi on stage together to rule the world as the three heads of the snake or dragon or whatever... (which oddly enough, Trump's goal here is exactly what the book of Revelation prophesizes what will happen in the end times )
     
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  2. dobro1229

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    The whole "NATO Expansion" propaganda narrative is the definition of self fulfilling prophecy. Finland and Sweden had no intention of joining NATO as did Ukraine. They only did so because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and even in Putin's own words on the eve of invasion, he said next to nothing about NATO expansion being the reason, and everything to do with his theology of Russian bloodlines, and about manifest destiny and prophecy, etc. going all the way back to the Viking era.

    Putin, in his own words, invaded Ukraine because of his belief system that Ukraine is basically Russian holy land, and he needed to achieve his destiny before he dies. He even stated in his address a diatribe about the need to invade because of Ukraine's "destruction" of the Russian orthodox church.

    Think I'm crazy... go back and read his speech on the eve of the invasion. It's utter insanity.

    Excerpt from Putin:

    In the 18th century, soldiers of Alexander Suvorov fought for this city. Owing to their courage, it became part of Russia. Also in the 18th century, the lands of the Black Sea littoral, incorporated in Russia as a result of wars with the Ottoman Empire, were given the name of Novorossiya (New Russia). Now attempts are being made to condemn these landmarks of history to oblivion, along with the names of state and military figures of the Russian Empire without whose efforts modern Ukraine would not have many big cities or even access to the Black Sea.

    A monument to Alexander Suvorov was recently demolished in Poltava. What is there to say? Are you renouncing your own past? The so-called colonial heritage of the Russian Empire? Well, in this case, be consistent.

    .......

    Russian didn't need to go to war with Ukraine because of NATO expansion. NATO expanded because Putin is crazy, and a murderer with evil intention of becoming the next Alexander the Great, and has his mind made on conquering and re-taking Russian Holy Land, and ruling Europe.
     
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  3. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Yeah, not really. Putin doesn't want NATO, which has expanded far more than Russia has and been far more bellicose, on his doorstep with military forces. Would the USA like to have an adversary move in next door and be armed to the teeth? Perspective is important in diplomacy.

    Biden/Blinken were part of the "forever war" brigade. They caused so much damage and suffering.
     
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    Oooff. No concept of cause and effect.
     
  5. deb4rockets

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    You honestly make me sick to my stomach. Your ignorance, immaturity, and lack of respect for a Four-Star General who served this country 41 years is disturbing. Are you just a racist, just ignorant, or simply a MAGA as*hole saying crap to annoy people? Honestly, you can f*CK off with your DEI hire BS. That kind of comment really pisses me off as a retired veteran.

    Maybe you should read some history and background on on Four-Star General Lloyd Austin's 41-year U.S. Army career. He was put his life on the line for our country more years than Hegseth has been alive. Show some damn respect and take that DEI hire crap and shove it you idiot. Nobody makes the rank of Four-Star General by being weak.
     
  6. dobro1229

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    Sure Comrade.
     
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  7. dmoneybangbang

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    Then maybe Russia should stop invading its neighbors....... Like seriously.... read a history book.
     
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  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    NATO expanding is like Russia invading and expanding? Ukraine wants to join NATO. Stop with the dumb ish bro
     
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  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    @El_Conquistador

    Yes calling these black generals DEI hires is very racist. You criticize black culture for lack of father figures then you criticize black men who serve this country more than you ever could hope to and are role models for these troubled young black males DEI hires

    So top with the I'm criticizing black culture because you care lies
     
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  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    America lost tremendous respect abroad and the military suffered greatly under Lloyd Austin. He was hired because Biden wanted to check a box -- just like when Biden picked Kamala Harris (said he would only pick a black female). Lloyd Austin should have been FIRED after the humiliating Afghanistan withdrawal. Lloyd Austin should have been FIRED when recruitment plummeted. Lloyd Austin should have been FIRED when he disgraced the armed forces by forcing troops fresh off the battlefield to sit through DEI training workshops. Lloyd Austin should have been FIRED when he went AWOL. Lloyd Austin should have been FIRED when he shockingly went AWOL a second time.

    Show some respect for the office of the Secretary of Defense and FIRE the guy who was totally incompetent and wrecked the armed forces. Thank goodness Lloyd Austin is gone -- now our military can begin to recover.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    No, it's not even remotely racist to call a DEI hire a DEI hire. Just look at his performance. Utterly incompetent and a complete failure. Proves my point.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Countries the USA / NATO has had an armed conflict with since 2000: 9

    Countries Russia has had an armed conflict with since 2000: 7

    Read a history book, friend.


    GOOD DAY
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I don't think the Secretary of Defense plans strategy like the Afghanistan withdrawal.

    Nothing was wrong with the military Hegeeth was an infantry officer, he wouldn't be planning strategy either but he would be texting it to his wife.
     
  14. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Russia is one country. Their conflicts are the ones they start
     
  15. deb4rockets

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    You are a piece of work. You think having a pathological lying con and draft dodger as Commander in Chief is recovering our military? The dude is a National Security risk in himself. You think a drunk racist bigot who chats up war plans on social media is recovering the military? He sure sets a fine example of who not to put in charge. What a joke you are. SMH at the cult mentality.
     
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    basso's boy-

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    Oh.... and where were those countries Russia had an armed conflict with? Whoops.....
     
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  18. astros123

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    You have to be a sack of **** to blame Biden for Putin invading Ukraine. You people have no values or core beliefs. More soliders died under trump vs Biden and its not even close

    Lloyd Austin did more to deter China in 4 years than what trump was able to ever accomplish. Austin destroyed Russias military without deploying a single soldier.

    "DEI hire" = 4 star general who oversaw a million soliders in Europe and fought on the front line in Iraq.

    Drunk fox news host whos never managed a single employee to run the pentagon = merit based hiring
     
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  19. Space Ghost

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    I remember when it was Republicans who shamed people for draft dodging their forever wars.
    Wild how the tables have turned
     
  20. astros123

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    Yeah cuz liberals understand the difference between invading a sovereign nation (iraq invasion) vs helping a country that's being invaded with aid (ukraine aid). Liberals have a iq higher than 40 and understand how to critically think. Maybe you cultists can try it sometime
     
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