I think we are both intransigent on our FVV opinions so let’s just agree to disagree. We need to be in championship mode starting this off-season and being a good (52 wins is good, not great) regular season team while those we are in competition with are making moves to get better is a losing mentality. Ime playing FVV 40m in the first disastrous game is all the evidence I need to say he needs to be saved from himself, although, I know that is not enough evidence for you.
U could have the same argument that harden could have done the same exact sht and make everybody better with actual playmaking. FVV will need to b dump asap or at least b bench pg. Man is averagin 41.5 mins, 8 pts, 22% fg and 15% 3p this series. man is a fking liability. Im pretty sure we can find a better pg
At this point, FVV is a roadblock to me. He's Ime's crutch. Letting him walk would be addition by subtraction.
The worrying thing about FVV is that his numbers are down in virtually every category. It's not just that he's having a down shooting season, his assists per possession have also dropped dramatically (second-lowest mark of his career after only his rookie season), his rebounding is down versus his career average, his overall stock numbers are down, even his free throw percentage, which shouldn't be affected by aging, is at the lowest mark of his career. I don't know what is going on with him--has he been battling through something all season long? I still think that, when he's shooting it decently well, he's a really underrated player who provides value in a lot of under-the-radar ways. But we can't afford to play him significant minutes if he's not a legit 3P threat, we have too many non-shooters as it is. I don't envy the front office trying to figure out what his value is going to be moving forward and settle on what kind of contract to offer him or whether to bring him back at all.
I'm fine if you want to agree to disagree. I did not choose to be pro-FVV. I mostly respond to statements I disagree with. I am just not going to be silent when people act like FVV is the scourge of the world, despite the Rockets playing better when he is on the court. When teams with FVV stop playing better with him on the court, I will accept that he shouldn't play as much as he does.
No one in FA, because we don’t have much cap space, but via trade it is just about how much you are willing to give up and how you manage the aprons going forward. It is definitely a tough nut to crack. Also you don’t have to look at purely pg’s, just backcourt players. For instance, Herro could be a target, but he would be costly. The Heat need to re-build, but I don’t know if Riley has the stomach for it. He may make a play for Durant and maybe we could participate somehow. Just brainstorming.
Just figure out the backcourt rotation between Amen, Green, Sheppard, and whoever we draft if it’s a guard. FVV has been truly awful as of late.
FVV is just a way better player than Herro though, that would be a downgrade IMO. There really aren't many decent options out there.
The last 20 games, FVV has averaged 11/5/3 on a .46 TS% while shooting .3 from 3. Last year, he averaged 17.4/8/4 on a .52 TS% while shooting .345 from 3. I think the chances are decent that FVV is hitting a steep decline. If we extend him, even if at a much lower number, it could really handicap us going forward.
I disagree big time on that. Herro is a 39% 3 pt shooter, has really good handles and is averaging 5.4 assists. He is not the defensive player FVV is at this point, but is taller and that might be correctable with a coach like Ime. Miami wants a bunch for Herro though. I think Utah would be a good trade partner for us. John Collins and Sexton for FVV and picks. Adds another 2 players that shoot the 3 ball well. Collins is an all-around good player when he can stay on the court. Of course, it’s all about how much is the cost, but both players would be good fits and we would be an extremely deep team. Amen, Jalen, Sexton, Reed, Cam backcourt Sengun, Jabari, Tari, Dillon, Collins, Adam’s front court
Herro had one half of one season as a great shooter and is horrid on defense. There’s no way he’s better than fvv come on.
Herro is a career 39% 3 pt shooter. In his 5 years he has shot 39% 4 years and 36% in his lone down year. He is a much better offensive player than FVV. Defense is a concern, but he would be a much better player off the bench than FVV.
At this point, Herro is a much, much better player than FVV. FVV's last 20 games: 11/5/3 on a .46 TS% while shooting .3 from 3 Herro's last 20 games: 25.6/5/5 on a .65 TS% while shooting .415 from 3. It's not even a contest. Herro is far superior.
If we could somehow land Herro without giving up Green, Amen, or Sengun, I'd totally be onboard. Herro, Green, Amen, Sengun would be a terrific core 4 to build around.
The main reason for this perception is that the team just doesn't have a viable alternative. Holiday isn't a point guard and Shepard isn't ready .... who knows what he is. Then there's Amen, he might be a point guard someday, but that day is not today. Yes, Fred is the Rockets best point guard ... but he's been middling at best the entire season. There are a couple guys in FA who would instantly improve the offense and not harm the identity on the defensive end. Imagine a team that puts 2 40%+ shooters on the court with some combination of Amen, Sengun, Jabari / Tari & Jalen.
I would call Coby White's agent and tell him to refuse an extension with that dead end Bulls team, and in exchange we'll give him the same extension on a much better team. Then with the Bulls knowing he can just walk in a year on that severely underpaid contract, we could probably acquire him at a fair but definitely not a cheap price. Looks like that moronic team is ready to hand over the team to Giddey. Could be wrong but I think @OremLK initially brought him up as an option. He'd be a great fit given how the team has developed. Very good shooter. Better defender and passer than Herro. Another option I really like with Sengun/Amen/Green splitting the playmaking duties is Quentin Grimes. I hear Philly will not be able to pay him what he wants. I don't think he's as good as his late season run offensively, but I think he's a very underrated two way player. More of a hybrid guard, closer to a SG. One more option that's not likely to be cheap is Immanuel Quickley. I believe he's severely underrated still. Feel like him, Jalen and Amen would be a lightning trio on the perimeter. Again a hybrid guard, but more of a PG than a SG. Some less exciting options that I believe would not cost much: Nickeil Alexander Walker (fantastic 3&D SG), Jrue Holiday (brings that championship experience, has improved his shooting a lot, Celtics must dump him), Norman Powell strikes me as unhappy and under-appreciated. If the Bulls keep Giddey/White/Huerter/Ball then Ayo Dosunmo is someone we should keep an eye on. I don't think we should be looking for cheap options to be honest. We should be looking for someone worth investing in and whom we believe we can recoup at least the same if not more value if we needed to trade them in a year or two. That way the value of your picks are preserved. Two way players who can shoot rarely decline in value. Looking for a bargain is not the right strategy for us imo.
I think you're right that we should make a real move (or moves plural) for a real upgrade to the rotation, specifically our spacing. I think the sweet spot is probably going to be a guy where we have to give up 1 to 2 Rockets first round picks (not Phoenix, Brooklyn, Dallas) or the equivalent. Hold onto our real ammunition for now, but be willing to sell off some late first rounders or second rounders that don't have huge value. I like all the names you threw out there. I also like Ty Jerome and Jose Alvarado. I personally prefer these younger, two-way players to some of the veterans people keep suggesting. I wouldn't even mind too much consolidating Reed and/or Cam into the trade instead of draft capital--we can't pay everybody (especially if we're adding another long-term piece to the core). That will be controversial, I know those two still have their believers, but I personally believe of both of them that their ceilings are likely "6th man/fringe starter" level. If I had to choose one of the two to send out it would be Cam.
First time on CF in years and one of the top threads is on potential trades during the first playoff series in 5 years. Never change CF, you beautiful!
If they end up with say the # 4 pick I'd take whoever is left between Harper, Edgecombe and Bailey to start, then make a trade to pickup Fleming dangling Whitmore and a future pick.
