Huge Cache of Explosives Vanished From Site in Iraq

Is that the 'publicans nuanced excuse for twisting and lying about the facts?

 

I'll stick with NBC's timeline, thank you.

 

Sigh. Glynch why do you babble the same crap over and over. You're like a tabloid repeating the same false accusations again and again. I haven't changed anything about my view of the intervention in Iraq except that we were apparently wrong about the presence of WMD. There ARE multiple reasons I support the intervention and they do include: an inevitable threat from Saddam, Saddam was a bad man, Iraqis will be better off without him, sanctions were bad, containment led to 9/11. I have also decried Islam's views on women, but I don't know why that's relevant to this, or why its 'fallacious' any more than my other points. Rest assured I'm not trying to convince YOU because you're lost, still trying to justify your draft dodging to yourself by regurgitating Tariq Ali quotes as if in some warped trance.

I pick particular points because I don't dogmatically come to a one sided conclusion without thinking as you do. I often pick one point I disagree with without indicting the whole premise because I don't disagree with the whole premise.

I picked my above point because I don't disagree this is a bad thing, or that it made no sense not to guard a big cache of weapons, if that's indeed what happened. However, it seemingly did not make sense that Iraq could BOTH not be a nuclear threat, with no signs of nuclear capability, AND have dual use technology relevant to bomb making/nuclear material. Everything that has been claimed so far is that there was NO capability and NO material.

 

Why do some of you seem intent on knee-jerk responses like this? Why don't you respond to the thread about how we could have taken out Zarqawi before the invasion of Iraq, but that it was deemed inconvenient by the Administration because of their timetable for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, so "the raid on Mr. Zarqawi didn't take place. Months passed with no approval of the plan from the White House, until word came down just weeks before the March 19, 2003, start of the Iraq war that Mr. Bush had rejected any strike on the camp until after an official outbreak of hostilities with Iraq. Ultimately, the camp was hit just after the invasion of Iraq began."

http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85669

What "major leftist media outlets" did that report come from? That bastion of liberalism, The Wall Street Journal.



Keep D&D Civil!!

 

not surprising since you have a great propensity to ignore facts that don't fit your premade framework that Bush can do no wrong


what we know:

IAEA last checked the stuff on March 8

US troops move into the area on April 4

so you believe that in less than a month (right before the invasion with all US intelligence assets were focused and watching Iraq - especially a site like Al Qaqaa, which was a suspected WMD depot) that a fleet of 40 trucks loaded up and drove off with 380 tons of explosives?

thats simply not credible

this administration told MANY MANY different stories yesterday, all in an attempt to cover this story up - too bad all their stories were contridictory - they are making it up as they go along!

 

here is another problem I have with the story *cough lies cough* told by the administration yesterday

as pointed out before, Scott McClellan said yesterday that the administration knew nothing about these missing explosives until Oct 15, 2004

Pentagon's Di Rita is saying that US troops were at the site in April 2003 and knew the stuff was missing


Which is it?

 

Your timeline is wrong. The IAEA says they last inspected the cache's in January, not March, according to International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei.

Doesn't it seem odd that Bush Sr lost the white house because he was too focused on foreign policy (and he was doing a very good job on it) and Bush Jr might WIN again because he's focused totally on foreign policy (and doing a very crappy job on it)?

 

Very odd.

Of course by doing a crappy job, he's forced foreign policy to be the number one issue...thus shifting his domestic and economic mess to the back burner!

 

They examined the seals and they were unbroken in March.

It's hilarious that you guys think it's OK for 350 some tons of high grade military explosive to disappear when the Bushies were watching Iraq like a hawk and knew Saddam's every move. I'd hate to think what would happen if they were not paying attention.

 

60 MINS PLANNED BUSH MISSING EXPLOSIVES STORY FOR ELECTION EVE

News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode.

Jeff Fager, executive producer of the Sunday edition of 60 MINUTES, said in a statement that "our plan was to run the story on October 31."

Elizabeth Jensen at the LOS ANGELES TIMES details on Tuesday how CBS NEWS and 60 MINUTES lost the story [which repackaged previously reported information on a large cache of explosives missing in Iraq, first published and broadcast in 2003].

The story instead debuted in the NYT. The paper slugged the story about missing explosives from April 2003 as "exclusive."

An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.

According to NBCNEWS, the explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.

It is not clear who exactly shopped an election eve repackaging of the missing explosives story.

The LA TIMES claims: The source on the story first went to 60 MINUTES but also expressed interest in working with the NY TIMES... "The tip was received last Wednesday."

CBSNEWS' plan to unleash the story just 24 hours before election day had one senior Bush official outraged.

"Darn, I wanted to see the forged documents to show how this was somehow covered up," the Bush source, who asked not to be named, mocked, recalling last months CBS airing of fraudulent Bush national guard letters.

Developing...

http://www.drudgereport.com/nbcw6.htm

Too bad...it might have sealed the election for Kerry.

 

• January 2003: IAEA inspectors viewed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa for the last time. The inspectors took an inventory and again placed storage bunkers at Al-Qaqaa under agency seal.

• March 2003: Nuclear agency inspectors visited Al-Qaqaa for the last time but did not examine the explosives because the seals were not broken. The inspectors then pulled out of the country.

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/iraq/...ational-18/109873704472511.xml&storylist=iraq

 

The IAEA head says they were last verified in January, not March. He would seem to be the definitive source on this issue.

 

Who said that?

 

Yeah, it just seems like doing a crappy job should be something you DE-emphasize, not focus on.

 

Stop drinking the koolade. Open ya eyes

 

every news report FROM April 2003 all say that IAEA were at Al Qaqaa in March 2003

for example

"U.N. inspectors have surveyed Qa Qaa some two dozen times, most recently last month"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A31589-2003Apr4&notFound=true
(Saturday, April 5, 2003)

You are the only one I have seen doubting that inspectors were there in March 2003

 

Again, the head of the IAEA says they last SAW the stuff in january, They checked the seals on the buildings in March. My bad I guess, depending on what 'seals' mean.

 

That's what everyone has been saying in here so what was the argument.

So, you either think that someone moved it all out and re-sealed the stuff, if that's possible, or it was still there.

In either case, this seems like just one of many impactful stories on the backburners. What else may be missing, or screwed up?

 

Is this the best the liberals can do for an October surprise? A botched story in the NYT and an uncovered plot by CBS to release this on the eve of the election?


BACKFIRED

 

Did you know that BACKFIRED backwards is DERIFKCAB?