Illegal aliens: Net positive or negative financial impact on the US?

It depends on whether you're hiring workers or wanting to be hired as a worker.

When Asians started migrating into LA, it was usually into poorer neighborhoods where it was a culture shock for everyone. Rich immigrants, poor immigrants, and "boat people" all filtered into mostly the same places. Ended up badly during the LA riots, but many of those neighborhoods either "gentrified" into Asian enclaves or started to coexist when living conditions improved after the local real estate industry recovered and then boomed.

Take the 2nd bit however you want. It's still an American story.

When it comes to illegals, those two cases become more visceral and a matter of "cutting in line."

If you're not living directly in that situation, it's really hard to conceptualize what's positive or negative. You're better off reading numbers from a CIA factbook than hearing some stupid podcast that makes you feel angry or warm/fuzzy because at least you're not sold a story or impression that prevents you from actually going to the place in question and talk to the people there directly. For something like this, a border town would probably give you a lot of different experiences and accounts of illegals.

 

Functionally, both support it. Practically, whoever brings it to the table will get resistance from the other party

 

Home invaders

Positives

• Someone to share your home with - providing a feeling of community
• Add energy to the home
• They remove items which can declutter the home
• Often enter without disturbing you, either through and unlocked door or window, or when you're not at home

Negatives

• Can steal your valuables
• Leave behind a mess and break things
• Often they do not introduce themselves / You don't know who's in your home
• Create a feeling of unsettledness / mental anguish
• Could result in death or homicide

Immigrants need to come in the front door -- at a port of entry. There is no excuse for not doing this.

 

Assuming they're on the books, which by the way means they have a valid social security number, they're paying into social security that the overwhelming majority will never be eligible to receive.

 

American women need to make more babies if the resident racists don't want Latino laborers filling in the labor gap in our treats economy.

But they can't because babies are ****ing expensive.

 

And an American baby is going to want to be paid a fair wage, and be represented by a union

 

Bubba would rather be gaming in the basement

 

Not just this.

Millennials and younger genx know this phenomenon.

The great manufacturing labor jobs of the 60s that got good pay to get you a house on a single income has its negative effects on parents of millennials.

The entire push for higher education to my generation came from parents working factory labor jobs with debilitating back and joint paint telling their kids "do you want to end up like me struggling to get up a flight of stairs at 50?"

Developed societies with some form of class conscious and labor conscious will never recommend their kids to debilitating labor work that makes you a cripple by age 50.

 

Letting undocumented do debilitating labor (slaughterhouses are another example) for a fraction of costs without a legit safety net isn't the answer either.

Conglomerates have been shafting labor at both ends.

 

Agreed.
They want the immigrants gone .. . . fine
Who will do the work?
In their mind . . .most but not all . . .. OTHER PEOPLE perferably non-white ones
Some that are willing to do the work . . .. will want MORE MONEY to do it . . ..
BUT
They don't want the price to purchase products to go up

They want alot of incompatiable/illogical sh*t to happen

"I don't any more chickens but I want 4 times as many eggs"


The Solution to most immigrant problems is . . . .. . .wait for it. . . .
MAKE THOSE JOBS WELL PAYING WITH BENEFITS!!!
Then Americans will flock toward them . . . . . .the immigrants won't have anywhere to work
but
Corporations don't want that because. . .profit motive is more important than ANYTHING ELSE

They will take a 20% Profit with raping murdering etc
over
10% profits with peace and everyone doing well


Rocket River

 

Yup. If monotonous factory labor jobs that require zero higher education or vocational training can afford you a home on a single income than service industry work like retail or fast food should be able to do the same also.

It isn't a loss of factory jobs that has created this cost of living crisis.

It's American labor's ability to collectively bargain being eroded over the past 40 years that is a large part of the cause besides financializing every every sector of the economy. God damn we got people financing uber eats. We built a economy were people take out loans for pizza. We are ****ed.

 

Yup. Like I always said. The border issue is a human exploitation issue, not a security issue.

 

My grandfather worked his entire career at the Nickle Plate RR and my grandma NEVER worked; he retired had an AWESOME pension that took care of my Grandma for the rest of her life. He wanted my father to have an education so he DIDNT have to work 60 hours a week, moving cars around the RR depot. My father eventually started his own trucking company, and he struggled at times, and he said the same thing to me.............EDUCATION SON was his mantra to me. We all want our kids to do better, are these MFG going to be like the ones my Grandpa had and your able to support your family on one paycheck OR will they be $20/hr jobs with no pension...............and if you're paying $10 for something now, you will be OK to pay double that to have the jobs in the USA? If I pay $80 for a pair of Adidas do you think I would buy them for $160.........No I would not

Off topic, but when I was in High School, going to a "trade" school was looked down on, it was for people who couldn't get into college for one reason or another...................how STUPID were we back then!!!! I have a friend who is a Master Electrician who is KILLING it, I do think I could have been just fine being a plumber or electrician

 

Exploitation of 2nd/3rd class citizens/undocumented could be affordably addressable by fining/punishing employers when caught for hiring illegals/employment fraud and by offering a whistleblower bounty. You won't get all of them at first, so it'll take future sessions of Congress to update and wratchet up laws to cover more industries.

There will be black markets like supply/demand equilibriums for mar1juana in California (there are still illegal growers) but you get rid of 80% of the demand.

The reality would be like the current China tariff issue. No political will from either side...more expensive food and material costs. Rich folks and "job creators" will revolt from overall increases in wages, even if they have never hired an illegal ever. Large swaths of unemployed illegals going further underground because staying here is still a better alternative.

Deporting everyone is not a solution, but no one has offered a true comprehensive long term plan that will be put up for debate. It will have to be bipartisan or business interests will destroy it before any ink has been dried. Something like a nebulous sounding amnesty first PLUS ramped up employer penalties might be a start.

 

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