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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. Francis3422

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    All of it means that he was better. It’s about winning. Jalen in a Better overall player than Tyler right now. I’m pretty sure we will just have to agree to disagree, but Jalen Green has thrived as an all-around player this year. I value that more than offensive efficiency and usage on a **** Miami team.

    Herro Is the white Kevin Porter Junior leveled up.
     
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    Neither guy are good enough to account for the teams record, so that’s completely irrelevant. Herro was better, you can be a homer and deny it but it’s not debatable.
     
  3. hlmbasketball

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    This is what I call the ULTIMATE Jalen Green disrespect video.

    I don't believe in hyping players, to be hyping players but I thought based upon the fact that Jalen obviously improved this yr, with his decision making and defense, played in all 82 games and lead the team in scoring, local Podcasters and media would give him SOME LOVE!

    Not only didn't he receive any votes, these guys fail to mention his name! How does your team leading scorer does not get mentioned in any catergory!

     
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    I greatly appreciate your loyal defense of Jalen Green. You provide a lot of interesting analysis in the context of defending Jalen against any criticism. You seem like a great fan and I have learned from your posts.

    That said, I'm going to step out of the Jalen Green conversation at least until after the playoffs are over.

    I'm gonna hope that Jalen performs as you believe he can. If so, I think the Rockets can win at least a couple of series. That would be awesome. I'm a Rockets fan more than a Jalen critic and so I'll adjust my priorities for a while.
     
  5. BallSoHarden

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    You make it seem like Herro is some role player, he was an All-Star this year (Something Jalen was not and KPJ never will be) and just dropped 30/8/7 in an elimination game and got his team into the playoffs winning two elimination road games. He dropped 38/5/4 on the road in the previous play in game, he is a very good player and reliable.

    Miami is not a bad team as you say, Herro, Bam, and Wiggins are solid players, all three have been all stars recently. A team w 3 recent all stars and a top 3 coach on the planet is not a bad team. Herro also outplayed Jalen in both head to head matchups this season. He is nowhere near KPJ. Personally I would take Herro over Booker on this team all things considered. You are talking about a player who was the 3rd best player on his team through a finals run when he was 20 years old, when he was 23 he was the leading scorer on the 2023 Heat team entering the playoffs (a team that ultimately also went to the finals).

    If you replace Jalen w Herro on this team this year, you really improve your odds of winning. The team is lacking an efficient scorer, Herro is exactly that and he is battle tested w a lot of playoff experience.
     
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  6. roslolian

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    Yes I agree. While I like Jalen, Herro is extremely underrated and has become a star level player. He has also improved his playmaking/facilitating on top of his shooting and scoring.

    Counterpoint though is Herro is 25 and reached his prime while Jalen is only 23 and still has a couple years to go. You'd expect him to be better than Herro 2 yrs from now.

    Salary wise they make similar amount.
     
  7. daywalker02

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    I say his name, satisfied? However, this leading scorer shtick has to be dampened.

    He is a 21 ppg scorer and Alpe is 19 ppg, 2 points difference..... this is thinner than paper especially when Alpe does not attempt 3 pointers which count more.

     
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    Alpi worked on his 3pt shot last Summer, he has to expand his game. He has gotten better defensively but I think his offensive game has suffered. That's been pointed out numerous times this season and why I thought he should not have been considered.

    Jalen worked on his game and he expand it. Plus he improved his playmaking and defense. These same guys acknowledged him. And why they didn't even give him at least an HONORABLE MENTION baffles me!

    Again, Im a ROCKE'TS FAN, not a Jalen fan. Im just about fairness. Sengun hasn't been the so called BEST PLAYER this yr. I can see a case for Amen. I think the Rockets future backcourt shoukd be Jalen and Amen.
     
  9. ElvinHayes2025

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    Great piece. As Rockets fans, we shouldn’t let our loyalty make us blindly biased. If Jalen could step up and play like Herro did recently, I’d be completely satisfied. Unfortunately, all this Herro hate doesn’t diminish the fact that he’s more than just a role player.

    LFG Rockets!!!
     
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    Herro is an odd player to be fair but clutch as hell......he plays more like a Super 6th Man.

     
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    The Rockets win more games with Tyler Herro in place of Jalen Green this year. Jalen is a more talented player and younger, but Herro is the better player right now playing on a much less talented team. Jalen could improve to one day be better than Herro (hopefully) but he isnt better than him today.

    Im not sure how one can say Herro = KPj and I don't even know what thats supposed to mean. KPj is just a shitty combo guard and Herro is an All Star shooting guard.
     
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    This stuff is impossible to tell.
    Rockets have some of the worst spacing in the league that results in these type of absurd stats:



    Then there is Ime who has very high standards for defensive energy output that might effect Herro's legs when talking jump shots.

    Could replacing current Green with current Herro make the Rockets right now better? Maybe... Probably... it's debatable but I can see a reasonable argument for it.

    But let's not pretend it's open and shut because there are too many confounding factors to consider.
     
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    Herro is probably a better offensive player right now than Jalen, because of his 3 point shooting. When Jalen is hot from 3, he is much better because it opens up his drive game so much. In a more fair league, Jalen would be going to the free throw line at least 10 times a game. Jalen’s defense is better than Herro’s, but neither is anything to write home about. Bottom line, no way would I trade Jalen for Herro straight up, because of potential.
     
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    Herro had a TS that was 6.1% higher. This is his first season being good, before this herro was nothing. But this one season he was awesome. Of course anyone can be a homer and pretend it’s not true, but this one season herro was light years better than jalen. Will he regress back to normal next season? Hopefully, i can’t stand him.
     
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    I agree Herro was better than Jalen this one season although I’m not sure he plays as well on a team with such pitiful spacing. I haven’t watched enough of him to see how he is at driving to the hoop. Jalen is great at it, just doesn’t get the calls. Someday, probably as soon as next year, he will.
     
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    Miami has zero shooting. Jimmy when he played, bam is a total zero, etc.
     
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    We'd welcome Sengun or Amen being 36 % 3 pt shooters at 3 attempts per game.

    If Amen is that from 3, it's game over for the league.
     
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    You only benefit from spacing if the other teams cares that you are shooting the 3. Like sabonis shot almost 42%, but is still always left open so he provides zero spacing. No defender is gonna care about bam shooting a 3, so he gives you zero benefit spacing wise.
     
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    Well then Herro would be top 10 in some objective measurements that determine gravity.
     
  20. Mathloom

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    Bam Adebayo has been playing between midrange and 3pt land a lot since the second half of last season. At 36% he is adding wins to Herro's metrics anyway. They have an elite level of movement in their offense also.

    The paint is not clogged for Herro at all. Not that it matters, he's soft going to the basket, always has been.

    Jalen has never in his NBA career had the average/mediocre spacing Herro has had except in short stints and offensively he's been far better than Herro's ceiling during those stints. In fact I challenge you to find 1 example of a player who played in worse spacing than Jalen for their first 4 years (in this era). Hardly anyone. It's a really isolated case study.
     

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