Kilmar Abrego Garcia will not be returned to the US

You can fantasize however much you want, but they are both naturalized citizens.

No citizens, naturalized or not, are being deported.

Even Obama is safe.

 

They're coming for gay marriage next!!

They're setting up concentration camps next!!

This tiresome, repetitive game is what led to people switching off from the media and democrats. They will never evolve.

 

I am not supporting that. I am just pointing out the logic is busted.


“In October 2019, an immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s asylum request but granted him protection from being deported to El Salvador because of a “well-founded fear” of gang persecution, according to his case. He was released, and ICE did not appeal.

Abrego Garcia checked in with ICE yearly while the Department of Homeland Security issued him a work permit, his attorneys said in court filings. He joined a union and was employed full time as a sheet metal apprentice.”

He was known and had a work permit. We had no reason to deport him and instead he was scooped up in what is being dismissed as an administrative error. Except the error led him being put in a death camp for El Salvadorans.

 

Yeah its totally not like Trump has said Repeatedly out of his mouth he'll happily send US citizens to el salvador.

You cultists are a pathetic stain to this country. Disgraced indivials who will be ashamed to admit yall were MAGATs in the future

 

@fchowd0311 read this.....

 

But for arguments sake let’s say he should have been deported because he was a criminal and known MS13 member, but no one else will accept him because his nationality is El Salvadoran. And sending him to El Salvador means he will be killed by his gang.
But if his crime was being in MS13, should he not be put in a US prison instead?

We wouldn’t send known Al Qaeda members to Saudi Arabia or ISIS members to Syria or Iraq.

Or maybe we would. Nothing makes sense anymore.

 

Are all El Salvadorans in MS13?

I get the fear and disdain of MS13, but it shouldn’t be used as a hall pass to send people to here:

 

Were arresting US citizens now. Jesus this is getting grim

 

At least you have the balls to admit you are an authoritarian. It’s against traditional conservatism.

Conservatives:
“The 2nd amendment is the last defense against tyranny”
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of tyrants”
“Don’t tread on me”

Trump:
“They’re eating the dogs and cat”
“They’re rapists, murderers, and criminals”

Republicans:
“Long live the king”

 

"What they are trying to create here is a Guantanamo on steroids... a black hole where there is no legal protection for the people there," Juan Pappier, HRW's America's deputy director, told AFP, referring to the US prison for terror suspects at a military base in Cuba. It is synonymous with torture and other abuses.

'Illegally abducted'
The deportation of Abrego Garcia in particular has sparked an outcry and set off a legal crisis.

Trump officials have claimed he is an illegal migrant, a gang member and involved in human trafficking. He has never been convicted of any crime and had been granted a protected status that should have barred his deportation to El Salvador.

A federal judge, backed by the Supreme Court, has ordered Abrego Garcia's return, but the Trump administration contends he is now solely in Salvadoran custody.

 

The man, Salvadoran Kilmar Abrego Garcia, is one of nearly 300 migrants -- mostly Venezuelans -- the Donald Trump administration has sent to El Salvador since January without any kind of court hearing.

Once there, they were locked up in the infamously harsh Terrorism Confinement Center built to house gangsters rounded up in President Nayib Bukele's iron-fisted anti-crime drive.

Observers say most of the migrants had committed no crime, and many had enjoyed asylum status in the United States.

None have been heard from since they were sent to El Salvador, where they are now in legal limbo.

Human Rights Watch, in a report last week, said El Salvador and the United States have subjected dozens of people to "enforced disappearances and arbitrary detention."

At the CECOT, they are held incommunicado, not allowed even contact with lawyers.

 

I’m not going to bother countering your willful ignorance. I’ll just ask one question:

Is it immoral to send a legal immigrant to a concentration camp without due process?

It’s a simple question. Yes or no.

 

How much process is due, is the question we should think about when people argue that due process is violated. So, if the determination is that he's a gangster, and able to be deported under the Alien Enemies act, then that's a whole complete separate court case about how much due process is needed to determine this. I think that separate case got sent back down for no due process at all, and SCOTUS was like there needs to be at least "some" but not clarifying what is some. Then it got moved to Texas, I think, for habeous reasons, because it wasn't supposed to be in DC (I guess unless you're challenging the law as a class or something...I'm not sure, but one judge of the panel agreed with keeping it in DC). Anyhow, it'll be in Texas in the future, but will require entire hearings in front of a fed judge from the southern district of Texas. Currently, there are 5 petitioners, though there maybe more. They had little due process so far, same as others who were already deported to CECOT. But now SCOTUS says they need hearings.

Okay, now on to KAG. He's already had multiple immigration hearings, unlike the Venezuelans in southern Texas ICE detention. From an immigration process standpoint, he's had due process. He won, well, semi-won. He was deemed deportable, but not to El Salvador. From a legal perspective, this doesn't need relitigating, because that's what both sides are doing in trying to paint him as a gangster or falsely accused. But from a legal perspective, he already went through a whole process and won the privilege to not get deported to El Salvador. Okay, fast forward from 2019 to this year, DHS mistakenly deported him as part of an Alien Enemies sweep, but it's already an admitted mistake. Sure, there are general due process issues with Alien Enemies, but that's a whole other argument that others are getting screwed on too, who have had much less due process than KAG.

I think the KAG issue and the Alien Enemies issue should be two different things, because it's just an outright lie by the Trump admin to reverse justify the deportation when it was an illegal mistake already admitted. Whether the usage of the AE act is illegal and violates due process is another issue that is currently be litigated in various other cases. I'm just more annoyed that the admin cares not at all to remedy this mistake. Again, there are some somewhat valid claims that you can't assume El Salvador will return him, but you can ask. You can even offer money. You can take money off the table (because we pay them via US tax dollars for this). You can ask him to be released into El Salvador, the country, because we accidentally sent him with a CENOT group. You can ask him to be deported to Panama or Mexico. Or you can just pay his wife money for the mistake.

But stop trying to reverse justify by calling him a bad guy (which maybe he is or maybe he isn't, or both), when it was just a mistake that violated an order that was given due to KAG getting a lot of process already (appeals and all). Make it right and follow your own rules.

 

I guess maybe if we send an American citizen to CECOT, maybe some folks will start caring about things. It better be a white American citizen though.

 

Then where’s the legislation for immigration reform?

 

Yes

 

Y’all are out here doing dentistry work with c0cksuckers like @Space Ghost good luck. Trolls are gonna troll…

 

Preferably an Evangelical Christian.

 

Send a Jew…unintentionally.