Kilmar Abrego Garcia will not be returned to the US

In all seriousness Kim Jung Un is also popular to the direct class of people in North Korea that benefit from his regime.

Same with Deturte. These type of fascist or authoritarian regimes usually has massive benefits to a specific class of people. The ones who suffer are not being asked these questions or are too afraid to speak up. Same in El Salvador. The communities that are devastated by this fascist regime are not being represented with Bukkake's "popularity". The wealthier land owners and business owners in El Salvador probably do have sincere love for him but the thing with fascism is it's never sustainable and eventually the mass incarceration of the young male lower class population in El Salvador will have devastating consequences even for the well off landlord or business owner in El Salvador and that's when Bukkake will either have his head lobbed off or find a retirement home in Florida.

I think Bukkake even knows those are the two end state outcomes for him but he's living in the moment and loving it.

Authoritarian regimes always have a specific class of people that benefit from the authoritarian regime in the short term. Authoritarian regimes cannot exist without one class of people in the country benefiting from it and defending its actions.

 

Foreshadowing of MAGAts who see Trump can do no wrong doing dictator things- until it starts affecting them (in a big way). It'll be too late then (for all of us).

 

If Trump demands that Garcia be returned, Garcia gets returned.

I agree that outside of Trump asking for Garcia's return Bukele is unwilling.

 

Ya you can't have witnesses of a concentration camp go free.

Garcia would be the first prisoner released from CECOT in its history of that were to happen btw.

 

I have no doubt Garcia could be returned if Trump wanted him back. I just thought it was understood Trump was not going to call in a single favor for this case.
My opinion: I don't think Trumps position on this case has anything to do with the SCOTUS ruling but instead on the leftist federal judge. I think people are using the SCOTUS ruling as some ammunition that Trump is a dictator and trying to subvert the supreme court and its the only reason why he refuses to return Garcia. Actions suggest differently. Bukele axed all his leftist judges in an unconstitional manner and has been VERY vocal about leftist judges since he came into power. The federal judges order was ignored (which btw, has been happening for years) by the Trump administration during midflight. And once the flight landed, Bukele basically said FU. Supreme court ruled 9-0 on a very obvious ruling long after the incident.

In attempts not to get too far offtopic, yes I do have concerns about long term issues with Bukele and his prison system. Its easy and simple minded to be highly critical of complex problems. Bukele can't release the prisoners, he can't kill them, he can't get rid of them and he can't hold them forever without due process.
I suppose we can take the US policy approach to Sudan. Not our problem because there is nothing in it for either political party.

 

Its so mind numblingly stupid how this is being handled. We have procedures and proper ways to handle situation like this. It was not followed = something went wrong.

If u get triggered that illegal immigrants are ignoring the proper procedures to become legal, u should also b triggered that we just booted a dude to a supermax without due process.

The end results should not justify improper actions. What the trump administration did to the man was wrong, hell they even admitted it. The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 against the administration. Yet we have bootlickers on here justifying what happened to the man was fine bc he isnt an American citizen.

 

Leftist judges probably don't like concentration camps.

Garcia not leaving is because Bukkake doesn't want first hand eye witness accounts of a concentration camp in El Salvador.

It's that simple. And the Trump administration doesn't want Garcia back because they want to see if they can use this process eventually towards American citizens. It's that simple.

 

This is about the dumbest take in this thread yet.

Did you literally equate my concern that violent people are entering this country, killing, raping and beating US citizens to the deportation of a single guy getting deported back to his home country?

Were you dropped on your head as a child or fall out of a coconut tree?

 

That would be a bigoted concern as illegal immigrants reduce crime rates as their violent crime rate is lower than the violent crime rate of native born Americans and given that American women do not have the birth rates to satisfy the labor requirements for our treats economy of having 24/7 stores within a 10 mile radius of every American with fully staffed and stocked shelves, those illegal immigrants are natural part of a flow of migrant labor to satisfy this economy and make up for the labor deficit that allows you to have the munchies at 2 am and drunk drive to a 7/11 in your King Ranch edition F150 and get some Cool Ranch Doritos and Mountain Due Code red for 4 dollars.

If American women had the birth rates to sustain this treats economy then our violent crime rates would be higher given that our labor pool will would have a higher percentage of American citizens and Americans citizens have higher violent crime rates than illegals.

 

Who knows how many of innocent folks are being deported suffering injustice without media coverage. The point stand that if folks are all for laws and procedures, then u cant choose to ignore them when it's a favorable result u are fine with. Just comes off as being a hypocrite.

Did I even tag your post?

 

Sounds like the average Pete Hegseth domestic household night.

I'd be fine with Garcia in CECOT if Pete Hegseth was also detained in CECOT.

 

Well second dumbest take.....

You conservatives are always hiding "tough on crime nonsense" to take away due process.......

You rubes have all 3 branches of government.... but you can't actually pass any legislation to address the illegal immigration issue so instead Trump is trying to create more executive power..... All these made up "emergencies" to grab more executive power.

 

This is 5+ questions at once and you start off claiming something is a paradox without any further detail.

I have zero idea about the accuracy of his approval rating numbers, I will blindly assume relatively accurate.

Before responding to the rest of this tangent I will note right now, democracy and freedom aren’t the same thing. I do love both and it does hurt when they don’t overlap, but that is not a paradox, and is an important distinction.

Strictly speaking of El Salvador, no I don’t think US law supersedes there law in their country, they do not have to “submit” to US democracy, what they “should do” is up to their own judgement and ethics.

Yes I personally believe they should hold real and fair trials for everyone they imprison. I see that as a fundamental human right, and a fundamental right to be a country that hosts freedom.

How they would do that retroactively is their own can of worms to sort.

I’m not advocating for the US to do anything with El Salvador’s government. Im just pointing out that the US as a country has become fundamentally anti-freedom with the abandonment of the right to a fair trial.

There probably isn’t a more important foundation to freedom than the one that’s being undermined here.

Where is @StupidMoniker when you need him. Come fight the good fight brother

 

Great.... submit in a court of law, under oath.....

I wonder why your side is hell bent on not having a court case? Typical christian liars....

 

Republican Allowed Into El Salvador Prison, as Democrat Denied Access


A Republican lawmaker was granted access to El Salvador's notorious super-prison, while a Democratic senator's request to visit detained U.S. citizen Kilmar Abrego Garcia was denied by President Nayib Bukele's government.

Rep. Riley Moore of West Virginia's 2nd District shared photos from inside El Salvador's high-security Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT) on Wednesday.

Why It Matters
Maryland Senator Chris Van Hollen also visited El Salvador on Wednesday to call for Abrego Garcia's release. The Salvadoran government denied Van Hollen's request to meet with his constituent. However, Bukele's government appeared to approve Moore's request to visit the facility.

Abrego Garcia's deportation has become a central issue in the national debate on immigration enforcement under President Donald Trump, who has vowed to implement the largest mass deportation effort in U.S. history.

Abrego Garcia is currently being detained at the facility designed to detain suspected gang members as part of President Nayib Bukele's crackdown on organized crime.

What To Know
"I leave now even more determined to support President Trump's efforts to secure our homeland," Moore wrote in a post on social media.

Sen. Van Hollen said El Salvador's vice president informed him that a visit was not possible. He also said the man was being kept in the prison because the Trump administration is paying them to keep deportees detained.

"I asked the vice-president if I could meet with Mr Ábrego García. And he said, well, you need to make earlier provisions to go visit Cecot," Van Hollen said at a press conference. "I said, I'm not interested at this moment in taking a tour of Cecot, I just want to meet with Mr Ábrego García. He said he was not able to make that happen," Van Hollen added.

The Trump administration claims that Abrego Garcia has ties to the MS-13 gang, but he has not been formally charged with any crime. His legal team maintains that there is no evidence to support the allegations of gang involvement.

The Maryland resident was deported to El Salvador last month due to what the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) later admitted was an "administrative error," prompting backlash from critics of the Trump administration.

The case drew international attention this week during Bukele's visit to Washington, just days after the U.S. Supreme Court made a unanimous ruling instructing the Trump administration to facilitate Abrego Garcia's return. However, the White House has argued the decision does not supersede the president's authority in foreign affairs.

On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis issued a ruling following a statement from the Department of Justice (DOJ), which indicated it was "prepared to facilitate Kilmar Abrego Garcia's presence in the United States" if he arrives at a port of entry.

The DOJ stated that if Abrego Garcia entered the country, he would be subject to detention by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and could either be deported to a third country or sent back to El Salvador.

Judge Xinis questioned the Trump administration's refusal to repatriate Abrego Garcia from the CECOT facility, despite a Supreme Court ruling demanding his return to the U.S. During the hearing, the judge noted that she would require sworn testimony from Trump administration officials to confirm whether they had complied with her order regarding the detained man's return.

Xinis emphasized the unequivocal nature of the Supreme Court's ruling, asserting that it was clear in its instruction to bring Abrego Garcia back to the U.S. She also dismissed recent claims by both Trump and El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele, who had suggested that repatriating Abrego Garcia from CECOT was not possible.

What People Are Saying
Rep. Riley M. Moore said in a post on X, formerly Twitter: "I just toured the CECOT prison in El Salvador. This maximum security facility houses the country's most brutal criminals, including murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and terrorists. Several inmates were extremely violent criminals recently deported from the U.S. I leave now even more determined to support President Trump's efforts to secure our homeland."

Van Hollen said in a statement: "It should be a priority of the U.S. government to secure his safe release."

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters: "Based on the sensationalism of many of the people in this room, you would think we deported a candidate for Father of the Year."

El Salvador President Nayib Bukele said in the Oval Office on Monday: "How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? Of course, I'm not going to do it. The question is preposterous."

What Happens Next
Abrego Garcia's legal team will continue fighting for his release while the government maintains that Abrego Garcia is affiliated with MS-13, an allegation his legal team denies.

https://www.newsweek.com/republican-riley-moore-el-salvador-democrat-chris-van-hollen-2061014

 

See what y'all keep doing is leaving out the words "due process". Also, again, neglecting the fact that numerous judges and all 9 justices on the Supreme Court of the United States said he can stay and should be returned immediately.

Why is that such a hard concept to understand?

I mean, there is a person in the White House right now (assuming he's not on the golf course) who literally has been convicted of over 30 felonies.

 

Okay... then Trump's DOJ or the state should charge him, and allow our system of rule of law to process his crimes.

Nobody is making the argument here that this guy is a saint who is the next Jesus. The argument is about whether or not Trump and his regime should be allowed to disregard the courts, the law, and the Constitution just because they feel like it.

Justifying that someone might or might not be bad isn't an argument. It's a distraction, and gaslighting to excuse dictatorship powers by the executive branch.

So what do you actually think:

Do you think the rule of law should apply to the Trump regime, or just because you trust their judgement on the character of people they disappear to an El Salvadorian prison do you feel like the law should NOT apply to the Trump regime, and they should be able to have dictator like powers??

...

And that would mean that you would also be okay with a future Democratic president like AOC or Bernie Sanders being able to disregard the rule of law, the courts, and the Constitution just because half of the population TRUSTS AOC and Bernie to make judgements based on their view of someone's character.

So just because I trust Bernie Sanders as president that means under your logic if Bernie feels like Commodore and SpaceGhost are bad people, they can deport you to a prison in El Salvador with no due process.

You are okay with that right??? Under your logic you are saying emphatically yes. You understand that right??

 

This…. It’s about due process. I’m not sure why that’s hard for @Space Ghost to understand.

There is a process to deport someone… and they are skipping that. Not only that…. GOP Congress can easily pass legislation to come up with a new process, but they aren’t.

 

Whataboutism to Abraham Lincoln? Trump is so bad we have to compare his actions to those taken in a civil war. I guess Republicans have sucked for 175 years. Amiright?