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Texas Teen Stabbed to Death over Football Seat

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by strosb4bros, Apr 3, 2025.

  1. Rileydog

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    I always have time to hold class, especially for remedial students like you.

    Key factors:

    - who was the initiator: looks like the decedent took some actions that indicate he would be considered the initiator.

    - did Anthony have a reasonable belief that there was an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm? Paraphrasing the Texas standard for use of deadly force. Many facts impact this analysis:

    (1) what facts reflect Anthony’s mindset and did it look like he was defending himself or also an aggressor/instigator? I think there have been reports he said something like come at me and find out. That will hurt his self defense argument. (Does he have a history of aggression or violence (if that is determined to be admissible).
    (2) did the decedent have a history of violence or aggression (if determined to be admissible)?
    (3) was there history between the decedent and Anthony?
    (4) the fact that Anthony brought a knife to the event weighs against him. For example, if he had killed the decedent in a fist fight, the self defense argument would be infinitely stronger.

    There will be many more facts that come to light and get spun. But, based on what has been reported, it looks like self defense will be a difficult to very difficult argument to make.

    But if it goes to trial, I would say that the biggest factor has yet to be determined. Jury selection.
     
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  2. pgabriel

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    My idea.of premeditated was planning a murder like a gang member intentionally killing a rival
     
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  3. Rileydog

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    Exactly correct. Facts matter.

    - not the facts here, but let’s say Anthony was like @CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul - a slow of mind, 5ft 5 inch weakling. He stupidly goes into the tent to start crap, yelling unhinged things about Donald Trump, then the decedent confronts him and says “Pay your debts and get out of here”. The decedent is much bigger than Anthony, so he fears for his life, pulls out his knife, stabs the leg, and the decedent bleeds out and dies.

    - Anthony is a crappy person and will get jail time, but would seem to have a much better self defense than this scenario than real life. He is both dim witted and small, so a jury could find that he actually did fear for his life and felt there was imminent threat of harm.

    Mine is a much more extreme, if entertaining, hypothetical. But it illustrates your broad point - there is a fact pattern in which Anthony could have a credible self defense argument. Time will tell. Based on the preliminary information, that seems like a weak argument.
     
  4. Rileydog

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    I think your instinct is right. Premeditated murder would be hard to make here. The fact that he brought a knife is the strongest circumstantial evidence of pre meditation, but standing alone, that is weak and likely insufficient. You would need evidence of motive/intent - like there was prior beef with the decedent.

    The prosecution would be much more likely to get manslaughter or some form of negligent homicide.
     
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    I served on the jury on an assault with a deadly weapon case in Texas a couple of years ago. The defendant had used a replica samurai sword in a bar fight which caused severe injury to the other person. The defendant claimed self defense.

    The jury was instructed that it is the onus is prosecutors to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not act out of self defense. The defendant is not required to prove self defense. We ultimately found the defendant to be not guilty because we felt the prosecutors did not reach that threshold.

    So a similarly high bar may apply here too. So it may not be slam dunk case if the prosecutor tries to reach as high as possible on the charge.
     
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  6. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    The little dumbass 5’5” pencil neck lawyer wannabe weak sauce is you. Lol
     
  7. tinman

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    This only made the news cause it’s black and white brehs
    Not if it was any combination of other races or mixed

    nobody would care if it was two Vatos locos

    @Rocket River
    @pgabriel
    @Salvy
    @CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul
     
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  8. tinman

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    Breh you need to do jury duty like me
    @Salvy

    you get all of the d&d and your favorite topics too
     
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    @CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul
    @Tomstro
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    this is related
    Throw in some woke
    The race hustlers here would short circuit
     
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    I know that the prosecution will try to use that against him, but do we know how long the blade on the knife was yet? I haven't been keeping up with the ins and outs. Lots of kids have pocket knives though. I've carried a pocket knife on me since I was about 9 years old.

    But just comparing this to the Rittenhouse case, he was 17 and crossed state lines with a firearm and was supposedly protecting property that wasn't his. He was attacked and ended up shooting 3 people and killing 2.

    I don't understand why simply possessing a weapon and then using it in supposed self defense would weigh against him in the minds of a jury.
     
  11. Astrodome

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    I really doubt they bought a house with that money. That takes time. They probably already owned it. If not that, they could be renting or staying with family/friends. But buying a house in 2 weeks seems unlikely to me.
     
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  12. Rileydog

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    You forgot to start with “I’m rubber, you’re glue … “

    With every post, you demonstrate you offer nothing of substance and have the intellect and wit of an elementary school child.
     
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    You're either talking to one of 2 mental midgets in crixus/generalthade or tindumbf***. Either way, you're being too kind.
     
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  15. strosb4bros

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    It's very simple. Weapons are not allowed on school premises. Bringing one on shows intent like any school shooter would do. You have a social media full of thugged out pics with real weapons trying to look like a thug (despite living in a nice suburb).

    It's much closer to Nikolas Cruz who brought a weapon on a school premises with the intent to harm others. He was also bullied so you could claim all school shooters are just practicing self defense. However in karmelo's case, not only was this the first time meeting these students, he instigated by saying touch me and see what happens when he was asked to leave a tent. In a just system it's enough to keep this waste of space away for 20 years, but just as with Cruz, the death penalty would be warranted.
     
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    Lmao, ugh.... Karmelo is the woke's people new hero since the MS13 gang member dude ain't coming back....
     
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  17. xtruroyaltyx

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    You need to go educate yourself because you are wrong.

    I mean, youre on the internet and still post something false that is easily looked up. Not sure why I even wasted time replying to someone who posts something so blatantly wrong that can easily be refuted.
     
  18. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    In every post you demonstrate how dumb you are as a self described so called “attorney” aided by a serious case of TDS. You and your Dem kind have to resort to all kinds of violence and childless behaviors because you losers have nothing to offer to this country but death and destructions. Your stupid kind hates America and that’s why you clowns will be rendered politically irrelevant for years to come
     
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    Remember I’m on your side you dumb liberal Jew. The dirtydog rocket scientist/ attorney is pro Hamas. Dumb liberal Jews will put an end to the Jewish people. When you are taking the side of your enemies who want to evaporate you, the only explanation left to describe your state of mind is: liberal Jews are just mental midgets.
     
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