What if the next administration labels you a gang member without due process? You are throwing out terms like "violent" and "gang members" to people that don't have violent criminal charges let alone convictions. The expansion of federal executive powers to suspend due process based on their preferences means there is no due process for anyone including citizens in this country. Without due process what prevents a federal administration from black bagging American citizens and claiming they are illegal? Answer the question. What prevents an administration from doing that without due process? What safe guard is there?
I dont think a common sense solution is the problem. I think its very popular among the average american to restrict immigration. I think economically speaking, we need a few hundred thousand immigrants a year to keep the economy in the green. And its easy for politicans (for decades) to preach restricting illegal immigration. Once elected, they are not going to burn the economy by locking down the border. Politicans pontifying for power.
Exactly. If the GOP allowed this to be fixed for all sectors of the economy they'd lose one of their top-2 talking points that engender hatred among their voters. Better to keep them dumb and angry. It's why Texas publicly hates immigration and privately loves it. It's been this way for a long time.
@raining threes @GOATuve @Salvy @basso I hate to tell the dummies here People in Israel use iPhones and Macs too
I think the point of the migrant hate rhetoric from the GOP leadership isn't even trying to create some white Christian ethnostate. The public nature of many of these ICE raids like having Dr Phill tag along and ASMR videos of detained migrants tells me something. This is all display to dehumanize them and I think their end state goal is to create a class of labor that has no labor protections and where they are too afraid to vocalize any complaints of abuse even sexual abuse because they see how extreme the American government is with migrants. There will never be 20 million people deported. What more likely is going to happen is a lot of them will be detained and sent to labor camps and the rest will be too afraid to express any abuse in their places of work. The rhetoric about things like demographic replacements is meant for the white working class to feel anger towards these groups which helps with their end state goal of creating basically a slave labor class.
Honestly at this point . .. . I'm more surprised about places AI is NOT being used than where it IS being used It's everywhere and doing everything It's Inevitable Rocket River
No. I'm concerned that the government takes away due process. When you are okay with that for some, you open the door to losing it for all. In addition, without due process, you cannot guarantee that mistakes are not made toward citizens. After all, if they mistakenly identify a US citizen as an undocumented immigrant with criminal ties, it's already game over for that person. And we know not just from today, but through history, the government has made those mistakes. Rather than making this about emotional reactions, let's consider the data. What percentage of serious crimes in the US are actually committed by undocumented immigrants with gang affiliations? Most research suggests it's a relatively small proportion of overall crime. Is sacrificing constitutional protections and expanding government power justified to address this specific issue? Even if we could reduce crime slightly, would moving toward more authoritarian policies be worth the cost to our legal principles and the potential harm to innocent citizens? (this totally belong in a different thread)
We are not mistakenly sending US citizens away forever. My recollection is 1 person was mistakenly send to el salvador, and they were immediately returned. Fortunately we do not have to agree on priorities. You can spend your life concerned about a the rights of illegal gang bangers. You are clearly passionate about this subject so I recommend you spend your free time fighting for those rights instead of arguing on a message board. I dont think you will do this as I am convinced this is more about Trump policy and if it was Biden policy, you would look the other way. Our country has far more serious problems to prioritize than this. Like shutting the border down instead of sitting back, doing absolutely nothing but getting in the way and blame everyone else for the problem.
That 1 person is a legal resident that was wrongly deported to El Salvador "torture" prison. Even though the government has acknowledged that he was wrongly deported (court order told them to not deport him, they ignored the court order), they have refused to bring him back, even after a lower court order and now even after a Supreme Court order. As you can see from this example, once wrongly deported, it's not easy to correct the mistake (because the government refuses to for, in this case "legal" bs reasons). There's significant historical evidence of US citizens being wrongfully deported. During Operation Wetback in the 1950s, thousands of US citizens of Mexican descent were mistakenly deported. More recently, a 2011 UC Berkeley study found that 3,600 US citizens were erroneously detained by ICE for processing (for deportation) between 2003-2010. These are precisely why due process protections matter. I'm concerned about constitutional rights for everyone - that's not a partisan position. The right to due process protects all of us, including you and me. When we allow these rights to be circumvented for some, we weaken them for everyone. If this issue isn't important to you personally, that's your prerogative. But I'm curious - why would you support a policy knowing that innocent citizens will inevitably be harmed when alternatives exist that both enforce immigration law and protect basic rights?
So far you have found 1 US citizen who was deported. That sucks. Meanwhile, there are hundreds, if not thousands of people who have been ruthlessly brutalized by the people you want to protect.
He's not a US citizen, but a legal resident who has legal rights to be here. This isn't an isolated case - ICE has wrongfully detained thousands of US citizens in recent years, with over 3,600 cases between 2003-2010, and over 1,400 cases between 2012-2018. When a similar mass deportation program called "Operation Wetback" was enacted in the 1950s, thousands of US citizens of Mexican descent were mistakenly deported. You're again confusing addressing crime with abandoning due process. Due process is the system that prevents wrongful deportations of legal residents and citizens. We can enforce immigration laws effectively while still maintaining the constitutional protections that prevent these kinds of mistakes.
I think I will take the Biden approach to illegal immigration, and as you are a huge supporter of his policies, you should at least respect this; We will just kick this problem to the next Democrat president. Pretty sure he won't do anything either. Problem #Notreallyaproblem
No these people being here aren't a problem for us. They are a problem in the sense they are a dehumanized class of people being paid slave wages so your jalapeno poppers are affordable. They are an exploited class of people. The main problem now is the erosion of the most basic form of civil liberties like due process. Prioerires my dude. You don't want someone with my ideology to come into power and weaponized the expansion of power Trump has created in the Executive branch by in bad faith calling you an illegal gang members without you having an ability to challenge that claim by the federal government because they feel people like you deserve retribution. I know for someone like you I have to appeal to your self interest so I'm telling you this erosion of civil liberties will effect you personally.
I've provided specific evidence about thousands of wrongful detentions and the constitutional importance of due process. When presented with facts, you've repeatedly deflect and change the subject rather than engaging with the substance of the argument. I was hoping for a good-faith discussion about constitutional protections, but I can see that's not going to happen. I'll end here and leave my evidence-based points for others.
in this movie, , Jennifer Lopez played the Los Angeles-borned Mexican American who was mistakenly deported to Mexico during "operation wetback"; in Mexico, she didn't speak good-enough Spanish to get help
Probably a good idea. We certainly have different view point . My position is simple. I care about the rights of US citizens over foreigners. You're perfectly find with letting literally anyone in the world to claim asylum, give them A SSN, government aide, let them freely roam the country... all with zero back ground checks. Then when our country can no longer support the massive incarceration required for those committing crimes, you are perfectly fine letting them free to roam the country terrorizing our citizens. This is some of the dumbest logic I have tried to process. And this is why the Democrat party is in complete shambles and lost to someone like Trump.
In a positive development for the BDS Movement, the Maldives are boycotting and not allowing Israelis to be tourists on their nice islands. I have read that after their frequent genocidal sprees in Gaza Israeli reservists often go on nice foreign vacations to decompress. https://thecradle.co/articles/maldi...ourists-in-resolute-solidarity-with-palestine
Oh no! Those 59 Israeli tourists who went in February will have to find another vacation destination. That will certainly convince Israel to allow Hamas to attack them with impunity.
