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The Official President Trump Thread - Second Term Edition

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Scarface281, Jan 25, 2025.

  1. raining threes

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    Agreed that technology will cost some jobs. However if these factories didn't create jobs then why are so many factories overseas? Factories will need labor to run this new technology and there is always going to be need for labor.

    So what you're saying is there will be less need for labor if these factories are built in the USA, I consider this a good thing and it will lessen the need for more immigrant workers because these jobs will be filled by workers that are born here in the USA. (Another great benefit) Not to mention all of the other labor jobs in different industries that will be created build these factories.

    I also understand what you're saying about the stock market. The market was overvalued IMHO to begin with and a correction was due regardless of the tariffs. The tariffs just put this correction on steroids. Truth is Wall St has had it great for a long time at the expense of the blue collar worker and those times are changing and the market doesn't know how to react right now. Where the pain comes in is that 62% of the working people in America are invested in some form or fashion in the market. There will be short term pain but long term gain. Also have you noticed that inflation is down to 2.4%. Things are going to be fine it's been less than 100 days and Trump has many countries coming to the table to renegotiate.

    The thing that gets me is I think that the globalists threw the market into a tizzy when they didn't have too because this was another attempt of there's to retain the status quo that's been so good for the elitists. Nobody really wants to say this but this is a Wall St vs Main St. war and I'm betting on Main St, which is why I mostly got out of the market 6 weeks ago. You could see the signs and should've gotten out if you dont have the stomach for the volatility. (Not you personally) I just wish I had stayed in and invested in Newsmax which also should tell many where the country is at, at this moment. But unfortunately it wont because many are living in denial.
     
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  4. fchowd0311

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    If you believe product manufacturing that require high precision tooling for the manufacturing process( smartphones, laptops and other various ubiquitous electronic equipment we use on a daily basis) are coming to America, then you absolutely would need a massive influx of immigrants because the United States does not have the labor force that has the vocational training to execute high precision manufacturing at scale like China.

    China's advantage in manufacturing has little to do with "cheap labor" like in they 90s. Today the advantage comes from a much more robust and advanced manufacturing infrastructure and a much more trained population for this type of manufacturing.

    That infrastructure and labor base took decades to build up with a command economy.

    What you will get is Americans in textile factories sewing garments and not be unionized and therefore not returning to that golden era of high school educated factory laborers on a single income being financially secure with a home and full time stay at home parent raising children.

    It seems like the only purpose of this is national security reasons to not be dependent on Chinese manufacturing incase we go to war with them and not to usher in a golden era of a financially stable middle class
     
  5. raining threes

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    That's actually pretty funny

    I wish they would've done the same things when Biden was in the White House. Could you imagine skits like this with Jill, Hunter/Baby Mamma/Daughter in the shower with Joe, Ron Clain/Blinken//Mayorkis/Mayor Pete/Rachael Levine/Sam the crossdresser/Kamaltoe and Doug with the nanny etc... they missed out on some great opportunities for classic comedy hits that would've stood the test time.
     
  6. Buck Turgidson

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    Dude, think about this for a minute.
     
  7. raining threes

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    Yep, and the cheap labor needs to stop, if goods cost 10/20% more to bring back good paying jobs then so be it. The jobs never should've been allowed to leave to begin with. Thanks Nixon/Kissinger/Clinton/Bush etc.... globalists. Good thing is times are changing in this Wall St. vs Main St. world.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Trump administration is dismantling any form of union labor protections that created the financially stable manufacturing jobs in the 60s and you think high paying factory jobs are going to return?

    The Trump administration is as anti-labor as possible and you think high quality high paying factory jobs that create a financially secure middle class life is coming back?
     
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  9. No Worries

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    Who did the allowing? Globalists which is code for The Jews?

    Does any nation need to ask permission from the US (or is it the globalists?) in order to open a factory?
     
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  10. raining threes

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    The US could've never opened the global markets.

    And no the opening of the global markets cant be blamed on the Jews. This is the Bilderbergers dream come true and the way to a one world govt.

    Playbook

    1. Take Americas jobs
    2. Destroy Americas sovereignty, this is was Biden/Globalists attempt to destroy by letting ILLEGALS in this country from all over the world.
     
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  11. fchowd0311

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    You ask a capitalist society to stop doing capitalism and stop maximizing efficiencies to maximize profits?

    How naive are you? Of course capitalism will inevitably lead to this global exploitative trade network that does things like suppress labor rights in the global South so American capital interests can reduce workforce costs. Capital owners by their very nature must reduce costs as low as possible to maximize profits. It is the backbone of capitalism.
     
  12. Buck Turgidson

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    Dude, think about his for a minute.
     
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    You guys keep getting gaslight by the MAGA cultists. We were already onshoring high margin supply chain items back to the usa at record pace under biden. The only thing Trump did is put tariffs on low margin textiles while exempting high margin items like chips.

    The idea that Trump gives a **** about labor is hilarious @fchowd0311 . He's installed a amazon union busting lawyer at the head of NlRB whose main job is to bust unions and crush any union expansion
     
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  14. Buck Turgidson

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    I'm not your guy, buddy
     
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  15. fchowd0311

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    Remember the Trump and Elon voice chat on twitter where they joked about firing any workers on strike immediately and laughing about it?

    Ya these people definitely sound like they love rising the living standards of our labor workforce. That's how people sound when they love workers.
     
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    People don't understand the role of the NLRB. They are the only agency in America that can recognize a formation of a union. They are the only agency that can settle disputes between a worker nd their employer. They are the only agency that can fine a employer for unfair labor practices during a union vote.

    The NLRB is the single most important agency for working class people and Trump installed a union busting lawyer who worked for a firm that helped bust unions.

    https://prospect.org/labor/2025-03-17-trump-pick-union-busting-attorney-key-labor-law-position-nlrb/

    These braindead cultists @raining threes @strosb4bros will gaslight you claiming its about good paying jobs while Trump crushes labor
     
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  17. Space Ghost

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    this post makes absolutely no sense. You have taken two complete different ideas and force them together. Pull yourself together, man
     
  18. astros123

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    Nothing in my post was contradictory. Trump installed a union busting employer lawyer as head of the NLRB. He installed a lobbyist as head of OSHA. The NLRB is the only agency that can recognize a formation of a new unions. None of these "new jobs" will be high paying union jobs as Trumps NLRB won't recognize new votes. You have no idea how the system works.

    Trump claims he's bringing back high paying jobs and his braindead cultists @raining threes eat it up while his policy moves show a completely different story.

    Never listen to what a politician says. Look at what they do instead
     
  19. Rileydog

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    So you are focused on “cheap labor jobs” that pay ridiculously low wages in other countries. And a 10-20% tariff is gonna make it cost effective for manufacturers to bring those jobs to the US. But they will somehow magically be “good paying jobs” by U.s standards. Do you see where the logic fails?

    What kind of manufacturing jobs do you envision coming back to the US? If you’re talking about unskilled labor, like factories to make shoes, cheap t shirts or toys … I’m sorry, but those aren’t gonna be “good paying jobs” and nobody in the US wants to do that crappy work (unless they are illegal immigrants, but we are getting rid of those I hear).

    Or do you mean skilled labor, like manufacturing iPhones and computers? As Apple’s Tim Cook has explained, China has legions of skilled workers to do this work and the US doesn’t. There is a training problem in the US.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but you seem to think tariffs are going to bring back “good paying jobs”, but there aren’t enough Americans with training to do those jobs. The jobs that theoretically could come back are the sh-itty low skill jobs that are low paying.
     
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  20. sealclubber1016

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    Let the market decide is something "conservatives" loves to spout...until the market does something they might disagree with it. Then they want big government to take over.

    Every Trumper is the same, just spout whatever their god king tells them is right, even if they were swearing against it beforehand.

    Of course the evil orange one would love to have Americans working for 2 dollar an hour with no overtime pay while living in squalor. His cult would soon support that if he said so.
     

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