The “give me Harden over FVV” takes are embarrassing

Disagree with this as well.

% of Unassisted FGM

Harden: 73.9% (24-25) and 68.2% (23-24)
FVV: 50.0% (24-25) and 50.9% (23-24)
SGA: 76.2 and 76.0
Jokic: 31.4 and 40.4
LeBron: 54.7 and 51.1
SCurry: 40.0 and 48.5
Booker: 48.8 and 57.0

 

Some of these posts are actual insanity. Amen would get benched because of Harden? HUH?

Derrick Jones Jr. an athletic, fastbreak break player ALSO having a career year because of Harden.

Stop the f*cking nonsense man.

 

Harden proves his adaptability with different types of players time and time and TIME again. But it's still the same nonsense over and over.

I'm sorry, but some of these takes are just embarrassing and has me questioning whether they understand the game even a little.

 

You make a strong point. I just disagree. When Harden has the ball, he is either gonna shoot it himself or look for the direct assist. If Harden can't get the points or the assist, he just fades to black.

Look at his % of unassisted FGM. His #'s match SGA, who is another guard having an MVP season. Difference is Harden isn't having an MVP season.

 

seems like massive amounts of cope to me…the arguments no longer make any sense

 

to be fair these casuals get most of their talking points on harden from the ringer, espn and fs1, so its hard to really fault them

these tv talking head guys are the same ones that would compare westbrick to harden.. so theres that lol

 

Can you say what you gonna say without being condescending (or outright rude)?

You express your opinions as if they are facts and then crap on anyone that disagrees with you.

It's ok to disagree without being mean.

 

u are the same person who tried to sit here and lie to me with no shame saying the Rockets were projected to finish 14th in the West to try and make a point or have some gotcha moment knowing good and well u made that up…that told me you’re willing to say anything and hope the person is unaware or won’t bother to fact check

 

Not going to claim this stat totally disproves your argument here but nba.com does have a stat they track called secondary assist(somewhat similar to hockey assists). Harden averaged more than FVV both this and last year.

Im not exactly sure what the % of unassisted fgm has to do with what I am arguing against?

Two direct points I was arguing against :
Harden ball dominance vs FVV ball dominance
Ability to be 3rd scoring option

 

I never understood it either.

Veterans on the clippers having career years next to harden

Maxey and Embiid saying they had the easiest buckets of their careers.

In terms of adaptability, he’s done a 6th man role, sole role, played with two ball dominant players, played with an mvp and rising star, now again playing in a sole/hybrid role

Defensive effort, sure not the best defender. Is FvV some lock down defender though? Clippers got a top rated defense with harden playing a majority of the season and a ton of minutes.

where’s this hardens not vocal coming from? The dude has been running an offense and a lot of former/current teammates give him his flowers. All of sudden he dosent talk?

Bringing up rings/record knowing the different roles/teams they have is a hypocritical argument.


All these takes of harden would take over and no one’s gonna touch the ball but him is assumptions.

 

In that very same exchange, you also misstated your facts. lol. I acknowledged that, apologized, and moved on ...something you should try.

Just don't be rude. See if you can add positive energy, rather than crapping all over everyone else.

 

Ok. I'll concede that point that they both touch the ball a lot. They are both PG's afterall so it's a little harder to tease out. But Harden's "% of unassisted FGM" is eye popping compared to others on that list. How do you account that 74% of his FGs are unassisted? That's him dribbling the ball down and shooting.

 

you’re still trying your BS I see…I can’t have a genuine convo with someone like u who will just make sh*t up with no shame…u can go do that with other people, I’m not interested

 

Embiid won the MVP.
Maxey was great.
The Sixers won 54 games.
The Rockets have won 52 games in the West this year.

If Harden was vastly superior to FVV in a supporting role, there is no way with Embiid playing 66 games that the Sixers should have only won 2 more games than the current Rockets.

I don't think a team can win it all with either Harden or FVV as the primary guy.

 

I literally expressed shame, multiple times, and apologized. lol

Just be nice.

 

Harden shoots way more off the dribble and Fred shoots more off of passes.

But I still don’t understand what that has to do with the only points of your post I was arguing against?

My only argument was that Harden can be a 3rd option and that there isn’t a very big difference at all between the 2 in ball dominance at this stage of their careers when put in similar roles.

And I will also add the numbers show that there isn’t a big difference in passes and dribbles per game between the two players either.

 

The thing is . . . .watching the game some last night
It's not Harden holding the ball 22 seconds.
Its Harden passing the back and it making it way back to him
You have a team averaging 25 assists a game - 9 of them are from Harden
so as a team . . . .they have 16 assists that are possibly coming into Harden
This is roughly. . .what 32 ~48 points a game - of their 112 pts per game (Harden averaging 22)

Basically you are penalizing him for not being a catch and shoot guy?
I won't even touch the system that the clippers run

Honestly. I like the debate.
I don't like the hatred and sh*tting on a former Rocket than gave us excitement for so many years
more than most other teams in the league had
Also
The Anger is because he jump started the rebuild that lead us here

Serious Question: I know hindsight being 20/20 . . . does anyone think another year or two of Harden/Cousins/Wall would be ANYWHERE close to as good as we are now???? He did us a FAVOR by asking out. HE did what the Rockets NEEDED TO DO . . Rebuild not reload.

Rocket River

 

100%. Two things can be true at the same time.

This side of the coin: Harden did us a favor.
The other side of the coin: The way he went about it was a little b****y.

Look, Harden gave us something to cheer for for many years! The Rockets darn near won it with him.

But, this thread isn't about defending the 2017 Harden. This thread is about should the Rockets have signed him in 2023. My position is the Rockets are where they are and the only contribution Harden needs to have for the current result is that he kicked off the rebuild. After that, the Rockets haven't needed Harden. They are fine without him.

 

39 and 10 in a huge must-win road game at GS



Fred better step it up in the postseason…

 

Gotta admit, I was happy for James that he got past Steph in that one. It's crazy how he's still putting up monster numbers despite having clearly lost a big step. Makes you remember how absolutely next level he really was on the scoring end, just insane. This is the "lesser" version of the player...