4-5-2025 Anti-Trump/Musk protests across the country

Sorry, but it's not an acceptable answer to most Americans. It's not just Democrats who want to see healthcare affordable. More importantly, don't act like Republicans don't force taxpayers to pay for their agenda with taxpayer money, or force them to pay more for tariff wars.

I bet if you asked most Americans they would rather have affordable healthcare than have a trillion poured into our military and defense so we can throw away any and all alliances and flex our muscles. I know though, you don't believe in taxes anyway, but Libertarians haven't even come close to getting enough votes to run this country, so that's a mute point.

 

I don't have a number in mind. It's a constant negotiation with the rich forever trying to push the number down and others trying to push the number up and we find some compromise in the middle. I just want to put upward pressure on the compromise. Tax policy is just a shadow of the much bigger tension we have with wealth disparity, and wealth disparity has been increasing over my lifetime with the rich getting insanely richer and the lower class growing to include more people as the very wealthy have hoovered up all the excess wealth creation at the expense of the lower and middle classes. I don't want to fix that with tax policy, just papering over a failed market with brunt government wealth redistribution. I'd rather change the relative bargaining power of the classes so that the lower and middle classes can claim a larger portion of the pie. That's hard. But, the last thing I want to see is the already weak position of the lower and middle classes be exacerbated further by making the tax code more favorable to the rich. That's the wrong direction.

It's efficiency if you cut a function no one needed or wanted. It's cutting service if it's something people did want or need. We have expressed through Congress, which passed a law to create USAID and then subsequently funded it every year in budgets, that we did want USAID. Trump cut it without getting any consensus that we no longer wanted it. So, that's not efficiency, that's just cutting service. Like with all things Trump, I don't necessarily object to his ends, I object to his means. I can't even get to the part about deliberating if his goals are good or bad, because I'm too busy objecting to the way everyone got cut out of the decision-making process by his authoritarian methods. Don't tell me about the presidential election either -- we elected a Congress to decide what agencies should exist, and it's the role of the president to execute on Congress' law.

 

Hang Mike Pence!

 

You have to have a number to target if you want to reach a certain goal. The tax system certainly needs to be changed to help accomplish your goals. The middle class is bearing the brunt of what you're talking about. Things like Obamacare which has doubled and in some cases tripled the cost of healthcare has driven some in the middle class to the poverty level. Put this with Corporations shipping a lot of good jobs overseas and there's no wonder the middle class is constantly shrinking.

If you cut 30% of the federal workforce efficiency wouldn't be affected IMHO. The system is bloated with career bureaucrats.

 

There is another one planned on the 19th. Reading the comments, many people who went feel much better about the world seeing that other people are with them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/

 

She does have policies, i literally gave you a link. Who cares is she's unlikeable? Trump is both unlikeable and has dog **** policies.

 

Okay, Im gonna make this very clear to you. The jobs he's cutting only serves to hurt us, not help us. Government is not a business and should not be run like one. He's not doing this in any systematic manner, he's just relying on DOGE doing mass cuts. Its not smart, its not efficient. Not only that, YOU ONLY HAVE ELON'S WORD TO RELY ON when it comes to this. Not only that the "savings" isnt putting a dent in the deficit. At all....AT ALL. Its almost nothing. Add to that, the TAX CUTS ADD ALOT TO THE DEFICIT. That's why they want to raise the debt ceiling in the budget proposal.

He doent have balls, he's a conman, a liar, and a loser who's lied to your face.

 

No, I don't think the tax system is the key to fixing the problem of wealth disparity. If that's the approach, you'll have an economy that solves for delivering all wealth creation to an oligarchy, and then a tax system that takes their money and redistributes to the poor, who will live in a system of dependence. I'd rather tinker with the levers the bargaining power of those with capital, those who supply labor, the customers, and the public good. Right now, capital has very strong bargaining power, and it only gets stronger with automation and AI. If you can strengthen the hands of others, they can command higher wages, maybe some ownership, better products, and less adverse impact on the public commons. I don't know how to accomplish that, but I don't see how you get at that solution with taxes.

My main beef with taxes is that you can't make changes, especially sudden changes, without someone getting hurt. And for some reason every tax reform proposal Republicans make have the poor people as the ones getting hurt.

 

I am against bailouts. You can search back to 2008, I was against bailouts back then and have always been against bailouts. I am against subsidies. It is the Democrats that passed most of the subsidies that supported Musk and Tesla. Libertarians have never passed a bailout or a subsidy.

Sadly, I am aware. The Libertarian party is a minor party for a reason.

Certainly, the Republicans are just the Diet Democrats.

You mean it is a moot point. The thing is, you can't complain about **** I don't support, then say you know I don't support it but that doesn't matter because my party doesn't win.

 

I respectfully disagree.

Do you think my idea of a national sales tax, (Excluding food/water etc...) qwould hurt the poor? They would still get their basic needs taken care of without having to pay taxes.

 

He's going to do what he said he was going to do on the campaign trail.

Not running the country like a business is what has gotten us 38 trillion in debt. It's past time to run the country like a business. Talking down to me makes me LMAO at you. I'm dumb but the country is 38 trillion in debt. Do you believe in socialism?

 

Trump is going to do the opposite. There's valid concerns of capital flight when everyone is hard up for money and investment. California and the UK come to mind. Americans are already moving their money offshore because of how Trump is conducting his trade war.

Financial repression is still on the table since almost every large nation has heavy ball crushing debt, but I don't think they'll telegraph it until everyone agrees to the heavier stuff first.

As a populist candidate, Trump will try to keep his promises to his base, but not every poor or middle class is his base...

 

just for the sake of discussion, in 2008, IIRC, there was no other viable alternative

 

They should’ve been allowed to fail, that’s how pure capitalism works.

 

Credit where credit is due. Except for a few one-offs, the left did keep these protests peaceful which is great.

 

absent the bail out of the financial industry, there would be an immediate

• bankruptcy contagion,
• skyrocketing
  • inflation and
  • unemployment
  • recession

on the whole, a lot more expensive than the bail out

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No and yes, he did what he said he was going to do but its not going to lead to the outcome you want it to.

Bro Im not talking down to you, im trying to make what im saying as clear as possible because that is how I would want it told to me. And again, Trump is not lowering the debt, he's raising it.

 

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