The “give me Harden over FVV” takes are embarrassing

Did you watch the games? Did you actually understand what you watched or just looked at shiny objects. Likely you didn’t and your statements reflect that. Here’s the thing before opening your big mouth—watch the games. If your memory is fuzzy go back and re watch them. NBA app isn’t expensive. Most of you on here are contributing members or claim to be engineers or business owners. Go get the app. Watch the damn games. Screenshot the games and let me know how great he played defense in these playoff series

 

So glad Rockets have a toughness and defensive identity that doesn't back down from any team. Watching the toughness from the team and having Green, Sengun, Amen, even Smith create play after play down the stretch of close games has been one of my favorite seasons as a multi-decade Rockets fan.

 

The argument of the sports message board loser for what seems like decades….

“Do you even watch games?!?!”

We got it man. Your eye test is the best eye test that this message board has ever been blessed to know. What you see is reality and what others see is delusions.

The dude with the most regular season wins, 5th most playoff games played and 9th most playoff wins since joining the league is a loser bum who will always be a loser bum.

Because he wasn’t a great defender it negated EVERYTHING ELSE he brought to winning games…..Because you say so.

 

didn’t bother reading. Don’t care. You haven’t watched shi+. Do not talk to me

 

Stephen A when he has no comeback to reality.

 

It was absolutely masterful compared to what FVV has done in the playoffs.

 

This Stephen A is a misleading name.

 

You really want to do a superficial playoff comparison between FVV and Harden? It won't end well for you. lol.

Just stop comparing the two players one for one. It's lazy and basic.

 

Forget about an FVV comparison. If you truly believe Harden wasn’t actually good in the 2020 playoffs you are delusional.

During the 2020 playoffs among players with at least 10 games played….

WS/48
1st : Davis
2nd : Lebron
3rd : Harden

BPM
1st : Lebron
2nd : Harden

Harden vs LeBron in that series

TS%
Harden : 66.4%
LeBron : 60.4%

EFG%
Harden : 58.1%
LeBron : 56.7%

AST%
Harden : 37.3%
LeBron : 34.3%

TOV%
Harden : 17.4%
LeBron : 16.4%

 

Says a scrub poster with no added value on this site.

 

It doesn't matter though, only his eye test does. He was the only person who watched the games apparently.

 

It's an interesting debate about comparing FVV w/ Harden. And this analysis further proves that point ...but in the opposite direction. Based on these stats alone, Harden is better than LeBron? LeBron won the championship that year and was the finals MVP.

A book I read in college, "How to Lie with Statistics".

You can put up whatever stats you want. The whole point of this thread is that stats don't tell the Harden story. Folks need to stop quoting Harden stats cause they aren't convincing the naysayers. Nobody is disputing that the man can ball. But there is more to the Harden story than his stats.

But here is a stat: Rockets = 2nd place.

 

Ok. Tell me why FVV has been better in the playoffs than Harden, oh so smart and in-depth person.

 

I'm not comparing Harden w/ FVV stats. I'm comparing their results. The only thing that matters is wins.

 

You keep mixing together arguments.

Im not saying because he was good in the 2020 that playoffs that he would be better for us now. Im saying he was very good in the 2020 playoffs and that’s it.

I also didn’t post those stats and make a claim that this is proof that Harden was better than Lebron. The more all in one numbers showed Lebron was in fact better.

 

This is why you are ignorant and beyond any redemption. Who the fuc# said only eye test matters. I clearly said if the guy watched the games its likely he didn’t understand what he was watching as he completely overlooked other aspects of the game such as defense and the points that resulted from TO’s. I asked for screenshot evidence of how good Harden was on defense. Instead nothing from him or you but conjecture and surface level analysis. You’re a dummy and a loser just like Harden.

 

Ahh yes, results. The results of a main option and focal point vs. the results of a back-up role player.

Great argument.

 

Ah, well I see your problem. You said it very well. You are comparing a "main option and a focal point" to a role player. If you already know that, what's the issue here?

Nobody compares Robert Horry to Jordan. You call Horry a scrub too because he's not Jordan?

Sorry that doesn't fit your narrative. FVV has never been and never will be a main option or a focal point. That isn't why he's on the team. He's on the team to help the main option(s) ...not to be the main option.

If you sign Harden, it's to be the main option and focal point. The Rockets were trying to develop their existing main option(s), not replace them.

 

So if the Rockets can sign prime Robert Horry or prime Hakeem Olajuwon, who would you take?

 

Bad question. Context matters. It isn't about signing one player or the other. It's about who are you building the team around.

In 2023, the Rockets were not building around James "I am the system" Harden.

In 2025, the Rockets are a much better team than the clippers.

Stop the straight up comparisons. It's basic.