The “give me Harden over FVV” takes are embarrassing

Fvv is literally getting his a$$ carried i guess this is what these fvv stans are talking about fit.


3 pts, 3 assists. 40 million.
But fvv > harden since we are beating top tier teams

The disrespect to harden is unreal that folks are doubling down on this stupidity.

If harden poor performances are considered choking cant wait to see the mental gymnastics to defend this sht in playoffs.

A new pg is needed regardless.

 

That elimination game 6 TO’s resulting in 7 pts the other way.

He also plays zero defense. Zero boxing out. Zero effort. When a guy is driving from top of the key and hes a help wing defender he never moves to help close that lane down. Never. He does not box out leading to easy paint scores and often misses assignments or rotates late to a corner or wing 3.

 

The hottest team in the league. Young cats are jelling at the right time. We got the 2nd seed locked up in a conference that we were predicted to finish 12th in the pre-season. Yet here you are still b!tching about some bearded bum ass loser that quit on us over 4 years ago. Quit trying to make Fred the scapegoat. Harden was never an option. At least not with Ime here. Imagine being such a Harden fanboi that you’re actively rooting for our guys to fail. Go root for the Clippers.

 

But that's just it. You can't compare Harden vs FVV since the all-star break. You have to compare Harden in 2023. Comparing him now is revisionist history ...which is useless. The context in 2023 is wayyyyy different than now. Nobody predicated Harden would be playing this well.


But let's take your premise that all FVV does now is "dribble the ball up and give it off". YES, EXACTLY. This isn't FVV's team, nor should it be Harden's team. However much you hate FVV, as a whole, it's WORKING! Stop making simple comparisons of FVV's production vs Harden's production. That is basic.

Scoreboard.

The only thing that matters is results. Udoka has the results (using an inferior PG). Ya'll really need to stop. What's happening right now is working so why second guess it? I don't get it.

 

This is people only watch box scores or think offense is the end all be all. Clearly we didn’t need Fred to score 20 or 30 to win. And we don’t need Harden soft ass non defense playing ass either.

 

They are bitter and still want to live in the past. At no point did anyone on this site say Fred was better. No one. Being better for the team is different than being better individually than another player. But they don’t accept this.

 

There’s no doubt that Fred contributes much more to the team than what we see in the stat-sheet, but the fact remains he’s not playing very well. It’s possible he’s in decline. And I don’t think he’s capable of pushing the pace like we need to maximize our young talent. Moving away from Fred this offseason is necessary, even if we resign him we can’t have him playing the same role he did this season. We need to find a better fit.

 

Fred is a player coach. Thats what he got paid to do. The man even had a notes in his hand. Harden is not a communicator, low energy guy, and lazy on defense. If anyone wants to argue with me about this then go back and watch 2020 playoffs against the Lakers. He was a lazy bum in those games doing nothing else to win but shoot and pass. He is a loser.

 

and FVV was coming off a 19ppg, 7.2 apg, 2.0 to, and 2.0 steals that season.

Oh, and you forgot Harden's 3.4 to and 1.2 steals. ...and that Harden was just part of this 3rd consecutive team implosion.

Looking at Harden now is irrelevant, that is revisionist history. I'm certain the Rocket's recognized his work ethic ...and also recognized he's been an integral part of teams that got blown up.

 

If you are counting on FVV to be the savior of this team, you are missing the point of this team.

 

Thats whats crazy to me. The guy has a history of lazy defense. Reported history of privilege and creating a toxic environment as the team catered to him. Has friction with other stars then bolts for a new team. I was a big Harden fan and he’s still a master at drawing fouls and getting others involved on offense but everything else sucks. Good riddance

 

Yeah. These players that lead the league in turnovers are just a bunch of scrubs. Man imagine how bad the Rockets would be if they had Jokic or LeBron or Giannis. We might be looking at the lottery if we had any of these guys instead of low-TO player like FVV.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-player-most-turnovers-per-game-2025

 

He's been bad lately. He was bad to begin the year. The way people act on FVV is that he is how he's played solely recently and the beginning of the year.

I don't see FVV or Harden as saviors.

 

If you don't like FVV, they have an option on his contract so it will be resolved this summer. (...and Harden isn't available this summer cause he's locked into his contract for another season.)

In the meantime, things are fine. Actually, things are better than fine with FVV at PG.

 

The Rockets are pretty good this season with FVV, they probably would be pretty good with Harden too - who cares at this point? At least they are pretty good in either scenario.

 

I think Rockets don't execute option and then re-sign to a 2-3 year deal using early Bird rights (i.e., he's better than guys on the MLE). I think the Rockets are great now and should not take a step back even if FVV isn't as good as he was.

 

In 2023, FVV just came off a season where he was averaging ~20ppg, only 1ppg less than Harden.

NOBODY is saying FVV is better than Harden. Literally nobody. Everybody agrees Harden is playing way better than FVV in 2025. But that is missing the point .

Ya'll stat watchers are basic. FVV is NOT currently hurting this team in the short term ...or the long term. He's doing his job. His job is to evaluate this team into being a winner.

 

But it was also possible that they may not have been "pretty good with Harden".

Here's the only three outcomes if they had Harden right now.
1. They pick up an extra 10 games, and still in 2nd place.
2. They are about the same, in 2nd place.
3. Or they are worse off

Adding a good player doesn't automatically translate to overall team success. We'll never know.

Folks keep bashing FVV even after two massive wins. Did ya'll want bigger wins? lol.

I agree with you, who cares? They are in 2nd place.

 

These fvv stans or anti harden trying to gaslight the rest of us that an overpaid fvv putting up putrid numbers is what our team needed and is vital to our success.

That's as stupid as the folks that thought McHale was a good coach when we winning with harden.