But I never said Castle was better early on thats just a straw man argument you made up. I said overall Castle is a typical rookie whereas Reed was just historically bad performance. I dont watch the Spurs but a lot of content creators have made hype pieces for Castle and he is even the ROY favorite so I doubt very much he is "unplayable" like you are claiming. Reeds minutes arent an excuse, how come last game he played 10 mins but had 15 pts? Meanwhile his ave is 11 mins and 4 pts. So you can see it is possible to make a good performance in limited minutes, it is Reed's own fault he has sucked so he wasnt able to get more than 11+ mins on average. If he had played better than 31% from 3 and 48% TS during his mins maybe he would have gotten more PT.
Ime cant make a guy hit shots or play defense. Yall only do this with Reed & Sengun. Everyone else is responsible for their own play
There are some posters in this thread who are contradicting themselves. In judging Reed versus how they judged Jalen or Alpi. And it’s very, very weird. I agree with some of the points, though, I would’ve liked to see us make a point to get him more minutes early in the year, even if that had been down in the valley. Our playoff success this year is going to be tied to the three-point shot and spacing. I would really like us to take this last seven games and let him play 20 minutes a game. I don’t expect him to make the playoff rotation or have an impact, but if he was to come on strong and be able to launch four or five threes in 12 to 15 minutes in the playoffs, It really could open up a lot of things.
Because you guys have more hopes and prayers than actual evidence. Holiday was more of a difference than Reed and Ime went with who is better right now. Holiday got 727 minutes and Reed got 557 (who missed time with a broken thumb). Reed simply couldn't outplay Holiday and wasn't going to get an opportunity with a team that has ownership/FO talking about winning and phase 2.
Well said @luckyman76 ! At some point there were movements on this board highly critical of I believe all of our young guys (can't remember much on Amen, but his shooting and injury last year), but the rest have been through the fan buzzsaw at some point. Nothing wrong with being critical of areas for improvement, but when kids don't get game time its hard to work on those areas (practice helps, but not the same). The difference for me with Reed, is his BBIQ is elite for his age and he plays old school team basketball. Two things I don't understand with Ime are... 1. Why he wasn't always running the point when he was in the game? Running to the corner was a waste of time and resources, he rarely ever saw the ball there (At least from my recollection). 2. Why he didn't give him a larger role when FVV was out? That was the perfect time to let the young man get his rhythm and confidence running with the team. Many people may not agree with me, but I think Reed is already the best passer on the team. Some may argue that Alpi or FVV are, but my counter would be while Alpi has great vision and makes highlight dishes every night he's a bit inconsistent and careless. Fred is your classic small shooting guard in a PG body, and while he's fabulous at taking care of the ball, his passing is average (to me). I know someone will pull some advanced stats that say I'm wrong (lol), but I'm just relaying my eyeball test from years with the game. I hope the starters next year are (unless there is some big trade)... PG- Reed SG - Green SF - Thompson PF - Smith or Eason C - Sengun That line-up gives us more shooting/playmaking and some pretty good team defense with at least one elite defender (Amen).
Wrong. He just had to not be BAD. In games where he proved he could hold his own, he wasn't given the hook so quickly.
I think thats the point. Most of the players on the team have had bad games or stretches where they still got their minutes. Even on nights where they clearly didnt have it. But for the most part they get to play through it and adjust with live in game reps. Theres obviously many other factors besides just playing bad because if it was just that, lots of guys would be hitting the pine after a few minutes of play. I think once we get past the misleading notion of "play well or sit" we can discuss whether those other variables have merit. Because being inserted into the game and playing well is obviously not the only determining factor.
It's funny how this is exactly what people wanted. I agree with the "he should've spent the season at RGV" takes. Reed's got quite the summer of lifting weights and shooting thousands of shots coming up.
It amazes me people here forget just how bad Reed was. He wasn't just another struggling rookie, he was catastrophically terrible and couldn't do anything right, except get some deflections on defense. Unfortunately, a few folks here went full nuclear blast against Reed and even ripped the character of other posters who did not agree with them. Like I said, it was an act of mercy when Udoka finally pulled Reed from the rotation, much later than he should have. Reed clearly needed a restart, which G-League provided. Since then, it's been bumpy but he seems to be on the right track. In my mind, Reed's NBA career really started in mid-January. What he did in 2024 stays in 2024.
I’m still super high on this guy. I think his floor is a decent starting point Guard that provides spacing and a little bit of scoring inside of the arc along with solid defense.
Its a big irony that Sheppard excelled in a reserve bench role in college. But its the total opposite in the NBA. All his pro success comes when its starting, huge minutes, feature player. Struggles during lower minutes Its encouraging that he's producing in the low minutes reserve role too. It means its not a total Jeremy Lin'ish "needs ball in his hands to be effective" type player. That at worst he can do what Aaron Holiday does & more
Are you not reading the comment I responded to? I'm not arguing against playing Reed more - I absolutely believe we are playing Fred too many minutes and are treating him as a crutch despite the fact we know we are better off with a younger PG in that place. I'm arguing against DD"s point that we would have won the same amount of games if we had given Reed 15-20 minutes a game all season. That's just simply not true. It definitely would have cost us some wins given how poor of a defender(and ineffective as a shooter) Reed has been most of the year. I agree that it would have been the better long term play to develop Reed faster - but I also don't think Reed's ceiling is Steph like some of the people here. I think he is going to be closer to league average starter but with a very important skill that we need on this roster - high level shooting and the ability to start the break with his quick hands. In essence the perfect role player for us.
He had a long leash at the start of the season and he failed so you are wrong with that. Nobody is blaming anybody besides Reed? Why dont you read up some of the post of Bobby before you say that? Reed is a guy who was just wasnt NBA caliber for most of the season. He was too good for GLeague thats why he crushed SL and GLeague but he wasnt at NBA level yet thats why he played horribly on the court. The leash whether long or short has nothing to do with it. If you look at his performance in All Star dude had 0 in two games, again this just shows where his current level is at. ASG was a level playing field against peers with no bias or "winning" excuses.
If you are playing 12 minutes a game you don't have a long leash. Castle, Risahcher, Sarr etc had long leashes. Reed was given a shot to be the backup and couldn't deliver. I didn't mean literally nobody. Nobody=Me and you.
He really wasn't though. Look at his numbers, he's not good at anything, he just has a lot of volume due to being on a tanking team.
There is no evidence, because they didn't play - it all depends upon how you look at it, I contend we would be closer to a championship team if we played them. And lived with their growth results...... That is the entire argument - it is ok to disagree..... DD
They literally did play… I know it’s okay to disagree, I’m just pointing out that you don’t have any evidence for your belief.
