Thanks, I appreciate it. Definitely helps seeing the Rockets sat as 2nd seed and firing on all cylinders!
Look - I don't think Bari is better than Tari - I never said that. I'm saying there real negatives to Tari that you aren't talking about when referencing the stats you did. He's not a wildly better player than Bari right now because of increased TOs, poor recent injury history, and the fact that he still has a hard time figuring out where to go on the court and has to be told by his teammates. He's a GREAT player at creating chaos but sometimes it's your own team that's the victim of that chaos even if the individual counting stats look good. It's just not as cut and dry as some per 36 numbers.
He's played 1 less game than Bari this season and the TOV difference is genuinely minimal. It just sounds like you're trying to push your narrative regardless of the facts tbh, it's not really flying at all. Tari brings more energy and disruption on defense than anybody not named Amen. Let's not get it twisted, for a large part of the season "the terror twins" have been one of our biggest strengths/selling points. Bari's about the most generic of all of our players, you're responding to me arguing that Tari's BETTER THAN BARI. Any other discussion isn't the one I'm having, so it's fairly irrelevant to make points that have nothing to do with said discussion, you know?
Once again, I never said Bari is better than Tari - I said you gotta include a lot more context when talking about Tari instead of cherry picking the places where he obviously is better than Bari. I'm glad you referenced the health because that IS a big concern. Things like per 36 stats don't necessarily factor in availability. Generally that doesn't matter when a player is relatively healthy but given the last 2 years for Tari(played in less than half of games) it needs to be part of the comparison. The fact he still continue to miss random games for the same foot soreness that kept him out earlier in the year is concerning.
These are real quantifiable differences between the players I'm bringing up. There is no narrative needed to say the fact that even if he plays the rest of the games this season, he will have missed half of the available games over the last two years...and he STILL continues to have foot soreness from the same injury that kept him out earlier in the year. That's not narrative - that's fact. By the way, what's the "narrative" I'm pushing? I agree Tari is better than Bari. I never criticized the defense - what you are arguing against is anti-Tari narrative - not MY narrative. If you are going to come at me calling me names, at least have decency to judge me based on what I wrote and not some general perception you are pushing back against. Be a man and own your words - you aren't wrong about what you said(I agree with most of it), but you are definitely wrong about me. All I'm trying to say is - Tari has his flaws too so lets not get it twisted. He is a better player, but he also comes with more risk. He has availability issues, he turns the ball over late in games frequently, and he sometimes misses the easy ones(even his Mom is dogging him on twitter for it). Again, great player - but bad Tari can really kill you when you need to lock in and not mistakes and he has not shown that he has a mode where he plays clean and doesn't foul 3pt shooters late in games, or turn the ball over, etc. If you can't trust him in those situations, and you have to sit him - who cares if he is a more productive player overall if he still costs you games?
I am freaked out when Tari served the ball from the baseline after a basket of the other team. He stepped on the line 80% of the time, which is reckless and unnecessary! Ref does not call it in regular season, but I feel we will get the burn by his bad habit in a post season crucial game! Why no coach’s or team mates tell him about that!
There’s a reason why a lot of GMs covet Reed and want the Rockets to give up on him early and trade him which would be a mistake imo. He’s shown what he can do against the best team in the nba and another team will reap that reward if we trade him. He just needs time and more experience just like every rookie.
I didn't put any words in your mouth and was not referring to you at all. I just said the "people" here who still believe Jabari has a higher long term upside than Tari are wrong and it will become undeniably obvious next season (if Tari has no health setbacks).
If he played 36 minutes, he'd have 18 pts, 6 rebounds, 9 assists, 6 steals and 3 blocks (3 TOs and 6 fouls).
I think of how Ime ‘buried’ Pritchard. Does this mean Reed’ Rox tenure is tentative - - or is Ime shoving WORK WORK WORK your butt off and then you’ll be rewarded with pt?
Holiday is our 9th man and 2nd best shooter this year. He was already playing before the game was decided. Ime gave Reed multiple chances all year to take Holiday's position. He even played him over Holiday a few times when he hadn't actually earned it. Reed's shot just hasn't been consistent enough yet. Earning a position on merit will make Reed a stronger/better player in the long run and prevent the bad habits that developed with some of our other young players.
gun to my head I’d rather have Tari than Bari, but I do think Bari’s defensive versatility and size are part of his upside. I’m very impressed by Bari’s defensive growth and ability to switch onto smaller, faster players. I like that he can play center. I’m over the fact that he can’t put the ball on the floor and create. That’s just never gonna be his game. offensively if he can mimic what KD does: get to his spots quickly and shoot over dudes, especially in the mid-range, that will solidify his value. But he doesn't do it consistently and he really doesn’t have great touch on his shot. I had hoped we’d see continued positive progression on the shooting efficiency. I think that was happening before the injury. But because he was out 2 months with a broken hand I don’t think you can read too much into the shooting efficiency this season. I’ll just say that I think we should extend both players. As long as the contract is reasonable both plsyers will have trade value if we need to make a change at a later date.
I think way too many people develop a hypothesis/narrative, and no matter how apparent something is to most people, these people will reject all data, even eyeball tests from the mass majority of people, and then claim the eyeball tests favor their narrative/hypothesis. I don't know if Tari will remain better than Jabari, but when Tari is healthy, he's been much better. Granted, I think JSJ is improving, and I was a little too down on JSJ earlier in the season.
On an individual basis Tari is a lot better than Jabari but in terms of winning and team performance IMO Jabari is superior. Jabari has a large impact on our defensive rating, Rox were 2nd when he was the starter, slipped to 4 when he was injured, and is now back up 3rd with him as a bench player. Coupled with his shooting he helps a lot on both sides of the court. Jabari also has a high bball IQ, he isnt a savant like Amen but he is above average. You can trust him at end of games. His cons oth are his lack of strength, lack of athleticism and lack of ball handling. Jabari doesnt possess that "WOW" factor, his aura screams career role player RN he lacks that killer instinct. Often time dude cant even back down smaller guards and still ends up with a mid range jumper. As for Tari, my issues with him are his durability and his low bball IQ. Dude has a tendency to be JR Smith, and he is always injured. I think Jabari is just more reliable, and while I agree with you Jabari is more generic, at the same time he can also be a stretch C which is extremely valuable in the NBA. There are so many good forwards in the NBA but legit stretch Cs are so rare Brook Lopez is still coveted at his age.
