The “give me Harden over FVV” takes are embarrassing

I love that you try to classify Harden "failing" and FVV "stepping up" as if they are in the same category.

Harden was the focal point of the offense and "failed" by averaging 28/7/6 on 42 percent for his career in the playoffs as a Houston Rocket. Fred Vanvleet came off the bench and "stepped up" by averaging 8ppg on 39 percent the year Toronto won the championship. What ever would the Raptors have done without that scintillating production?

Just typing this out makes you realize how absolutely asinine this conversation even is. I'm done lol.

 

That’s not the point dummy. Go re read the posts. You obviously do not understand the discussions that have been circulating on this thread. Fit , culture, identity is taken into
Account when building a team. Also player intangibles. Harden’s history of toxicity, bad defense, low energy/intensity, and iso ball style simply doesn’t fit. The question and discussions have never been about who’s “better”.

 

You don’t like reading and select only information to build your narrative i get it. I posted clearly Fred’s performances in these big games and must win games in his short playoff career. It’s not about averages dumbass. How about reading and being knowledgeable before opening your damn mouth.

 

Here or there
In a plane, in a train
In a house, with a mouse
In a tree, in a car
In box, with a fox

ANYWHERE AND EVERY WHERE Harden is ALWAYS a better fit than Fred Vanvleet.

 

Just posting an opinion with no supporting facts or information to explain your analytic judgement is just stupid. 15 years straight same result. Some call that insane.

 

BTW:

Fred avg 14.3 in those last 9 games of the 2019 playoffs and 22 pts .800% 3pt (4-5) on 33 min gam 6 finals

Still a champ unlike perennial loser Harden

 

His best playoff game can’t even sniff Harden’s playoff average. LOL

 

You’re absolutely right. People don’t understand how much he brings. People don’t understand that it’s not just about what’s in the boxscore. People don’t understand how players must fit the culture, style, identity of the team. Players need chemistry and there’s more that goes into roster building than simple offensive production or talent. That’s why Grant Hill took lessons learned from 2004 and 2020 Olympics etc to construct the mens Olympic roster. And this is why guys like tatum struggled with a star studded USA team despite the talent.

 

Read the previous posts. The discussion was on must win games or significant playoff games. Harden simply struggled in many of these in 15 straight years of playing in the playoffs. Still hasn't won a ring by the way.

 

A future hof getting so much disrespect from a casual just bc he never won a ring.

Harden will get into the hall of fame regardless. Fvv will never get a mention. U keep basing fit based on ring or playoff success which is the dumbest thing to do. Talent trumps all.

I have never made the discussion based on arbitrary thing like must win games or playoff success, u did. My stance was hardens talent outgaps fvv and it's a stupid stance to not believe he cant elevate the team better than fvv.

The stance that a future hall of famer cant elevate a team better than a bench champion pg simply bc of lack of "playoff success" or choking is just stupid.

 

7 pts, 3 rebounds, 5 assist in 40+ mins.
Fvv > harden

U gonna see more of this sht in playoffs.

 

the media doesn’t talk enough about how well Harden is aging…they act like Bron, KD, and Steph are the only ones from the old generation who still got it

Harden is averaging 26, 6, and 9 in 18 games post-ASB and is back to iron-man status only missing 3 games so far this season. Could he make All-NBA 3rd Team this year?

even last year, taking out the games he missed while the Philly trade was going down, he only missed 5 games last season, and 1 of those was the final game of the season where the Clippers didn’t play their starters

 

I'm not sure about better, but they are close in value.

Offensive engines for bad offenses aren't worth as much as most people make them out to be while FVV is scalable.

 

Funny, people who want Harden think he could boost our offense. People who don't want him think he would not fit our defensive culture.

But the Clippers have a mediocre offense and a top 3 defense. So would Harden help our offense or our defense?

 

Harden is surrounded by defenders, shooters, and a roll man. Basically about as ideal a situation for him to provide maximum value.

Harden would kill the defense as Zubac covers him up.

 

this is complete BS. its absurd even rocket fans have bought into this narrative that James is a terrible defender. his career metrics say otherwise. you would think seeing him in Houston people here would at least know the truth from the all the media hit pieces but I guess not.

 

That's the problem . .. the narrative
We will destroy our players on narrative
I see it creep in here with AlP and Jalen
Too many people listen to talking heads like Steven A
and not enough watch the games
and make up their own minds

Beware of . .. . THE NARRATIVE

When people tell me how the NBA is less entertaining and a lesser product
I have to point out that like 80% of all commentary is bullshit narratives and b****ING AND MOANING
about how Kobe and MJ aren't in the league any more
or
some has been never was talking about they would be LeBron if they were in the league now
basically saying their failures were because the league was harder and that these modern
successes are because the league is easier. . . in order to stroke their own f*cking ego

Rocket River

 

The "give me FVV over anybody" takes are embarrassing.

 

Harden would know how to improve Green’s strength and weaknesses

Sengun would be getting much easier buckets

Whitmore and Reed might even be able to run

Most importantly we’d have someone that can control the end of games


Fortunately we don’t need that, what we really need is that championship experience and leadership of playing like ****

 

expect more of what FVV did tonight come postseason

Fred’s typical playoff game is a James Harden elimination game