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[CyberSecurity] Trump Team Accidentally Includes Magazine Editor in War Plans Chat

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Mar 24, 2025.

  1. basso

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    @Sajan's attempt to elide the difference between sensitive and classified, just obscures the real issue. let's focus on what we know:

    *Signal is an approved government communications too, including it's use by the intelligence services and White House.
    *Sensitive information is undoubtedly shared every day on Signal
    *Classified information and material requires a higher class system, as noted several times in the chat
    *The Hegseth Update, while sensitive, was not classified, and there was nothing inherently wrong, illegal, nor stupid about sharing it with the known members of the group chat
    *Sharing the Update with a reporter, is not "ok"

    The issue then devolves to how was Jeff Goldberg added to the chat? Initial indications are it was a staffer on Mike Waltz's team. Was it a mistake? on purpose? was Waltz notified of the add? if so, who did he think "JG" was?

    the rest is just noise.[/USER]
     
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  3. Invisible Fan

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    It's better for her to have a bad memory.

    Committing perjury by lying in front of Congress used to be an impeachable offense until..
     
  4. HP3

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    The text chain had when they were planning their attacks, what weapons they were using, and who they were planning their attacks as well as some information about CIA operatives.

    That is classified you absolute liar. You dont have a shred of self respect, you are slimey.
     
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    Even NYPost is burning them up...Maybe people actually give a **** about Nat Sec?

    https://nypost.com/2025/03/24/us-ne...or-yemen-strikes-to-atlantic-editor-in-chief/

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    The likeliest explanation for Goldberg being included on the channel was his Signal profile name “JG” —the same initials as US Trade Representative Jamieson Greer, who often attends National Security Council meetings.

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    One red herring shot down...next.
     
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  6. basso

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    why the name calling?
     
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    Caroline got a little testy at the press briefing today. It's about time.
     
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  8. HP3

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    Because you are smart enough to know better. You know what happened is wrong and you know the scale of it was very bad and yet you still choose to back this administration lock and step.

    Yea I shouldnt call you names but then again maybe Trump shoulndt be trying to ruin this country which is what is happening.
     
  9. droxford

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    I agree.

    From what I understand, Signal has been used by other administrations before Trump. Regardless of that, I would think it would be in the nation's best interests if our leaders (current, and future) used a private application (not a commercial app) in which our gov't entirely manages and controls the app, its security, and any content that is sent through it.

    And, yes, the big mistake was the addition of Goldberg to the chat.
     
  10. Reeko

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    A high level information security source inside the Department of Defense has informed me that a month ago they were ordered by political appointees to ignore information security regulations and install Signal on government phones for senior leaders.

    This story likely confirms that Signal is a primary means of communications for Trump Administration senior leaders in direct violation of the Presidential Records Act, the Espionage Act, and numerous national security regulations. It appears that much of our national security communications are vulnerable to foreign intelligence agencies to access at the highest levels of our government.

    With the explosive news that senior Trump Administration officials had used a Signal chat group that included Atlantic Editor in Chief Jeffrey Goldberg to plan attacks on Yemen questions have been raised about how prevalent the use of the off the shelf civilian app is being used. I can confirm that it has become a primary means of communication.

    An anonymous senior level source in the Pentagon’s information technology field reached out to tell me that upon the arrival of newly installed senior military officials in February they were asked to install Signal on their government phones. There had already been instances where newly appointed Trump officials attempted to bring their personal phones in secure areas.

    They relented on leaving their phones outside the classified spaces but demanded that CIO install Signal on their government devices. One senior uniformed official told me source that, “they all use Signal and need it to communicate with the White House,” which they took to mean its being used on their personal devices already.

    On February 18th, Katie Arrington was named the Deputy Chief Information Officer for Cybersecurity and Chief Information Security Officer at the Department of Defense by the Trump Administration. She had served in the previous Administration in a similar role.

    According to my source inside the Pentagon, shortly after Arrington’s arrival at DoD she issued a waiver and authorized the various service CIO’s to deploy Signal on government devices.

    This means that even as DOD sent a memo out warning against the use of Signal the same organization had authorized, and demanded, it’s use across the DOD. The messaging app is popular because its encrypted but most importantly allows disappearing messages on a schedule. This is a direct violation of the Presidential Records Act that requires preservation of all Executive Branch records.

    The Signal chat for Yemen wasn’t a one off. It is standard practice in the Trump Administration to use the app for national security communications even inside security facilities and on likely on devices handling classified information.

    With the knowledge now that they have deployed Signal onto government devices it appears Hegseth may have copied and pasted these details from the classified documents into Signal. These messages were sent to multiple members who were using personal, unsecured devices for the planning.

    How do we know? Because Steve Witkoff confirmed it this morning that he joined the Signal group on his personal devices that he had left in the United States when he visited Moscow. In his effort to defuse the story that he had been in the group chat in Moscow, he instead confirmed he is using “personal devices” to discuss the plans.
     
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    Another piece that hasn’t been addressed is that if you look at the list of group members posted by the Atlantic today you will notice that “MAR,” which we have identified as Marco Rubio, is listed twice in the membership. For those that understand Signal that likely means two separate devices with separate settings. In other words, its possible Rubio was in this group on his government device and a personal unsecured device at the same time.

    All of this informs us that the Trump Administration is using a commercial non-secure disappearing messaging app to communicate to avoid record keeping laws and national security regulations. This means that it is highly likely our enemies are able to monitor the high level communications of our government…in real time.

    One of the most damaging pieces is that these acts are clearly violations of ‘The Espionage Act.’ The law that often has been used in criminal cases involving leaks or mishandling of classified information, contains a provision making it crime to disclose national defense secrets “through gross negligence.” The law does not require that the information be classified, because it was written before the classification system existed. The law refers simply to “national defense information.”

    It is time for investigations, resignations, and immediate arrests of those involved.
     
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    the ultimate outcome of this may be Musk & Team building such an app for the government.

    the irony.
     
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    [​IMG]

    they blew up a building full of civilians to get this guy
     
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    More text chats released. LESSSSSSSSSS GGGOOOO!!!!!!
     
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    https://archive.is/vnPIk
     
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    They already do.

    It's just you can't have any app like that on a commercial phone. None of these or past offenders want to carry two devices and signal also bypasses record keeping laws.
     
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    their phones, like most any "commercial" phone provided to an employee for work, will have a profile setting that allows/restricts certain content/access, and also permits IT to wipe the phone remotely.

    in addition, the government version of Signal is not the same version as the standard commercially available one.
     
  18. basso

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    “Confide isn’t the first secure-communications app to find popularity among politicians and their aides. Signal, the gold standard of encrypted messaging and calling, is used by staffers who work for President Trump, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio,” -- The Atlantic reported in February 2017.
     
  19. Sajan

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    Not sure if stupid (most likely scenario) and or lying (possible also).



    this clown should at least look at the group chat name.
     
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    None of the prior administrations were inept enough to talk about ongoing military operations while not knowing a reporter was in attendance.

    Your spirited defense of the incompetence of this administration is embarrassing. Even for you...
     

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