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Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, eliminating constitutional right to abortion

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Reeko, Jun 24, 2022.

  1. No Worries

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    Christian Scientists would ban all of these medical procedures, no?

    Should we let Christian Scientists write the rules for themselves and everybody else to follow? BTW there is no doubting the sincerity of their beliefs, even though most do not agree with them.

    This lands me with the point. Most people do not see abortion as a black or white issue.. Most people have a very nuanced opinion on abortion.
     
  2. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Government should not make laws based on morality. It should strive to be utilitarian while still preserving individual rights. The tyranny of the majority is still tyranny.
     
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  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Killing people hurts them.
    Indeed. The most central right being the right to life. That should definitely be preserved.
     
  4. juicystream

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    Are you hurt if you don't feel it?

    When does somebody become a person?
     
  5. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yes. If someone kills you in your sleep, or while you are under anesthesia, or drunk, or high, or in a coma, or while suffering from a neurological disorder that prevents you from feeling pain, you are still hurt. Being deprived of life is a hurt.
    At conception.
     
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  6. juicystream

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    I guess we view hurt differently, but that is okay.

    That is unfortunate because it is a long way to go from there to actually being a person. And I'm pretty against abortion.
     
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  7. ElPigto

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    This is the back and forth we will never get past. It's a philosophical difference that's hard for people to overcome.

    Out of curiosity are you against IVF? I apologize in advance if you've answered this before.
     
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    everybody hurts.

     
  9. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    As currently practiced, yes. I have no problem with fertilizing and attempting to implant one egg at a time. The current practice of fertilizing more eggs than you use, and then culling when too many implant is barbaric.
     
  10. basso

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    for clarity, a fertilized egg is called an embryo.

    IVF does not typically result in multiple implantations, although it may on occasion. in fact, the reason for "transferring" more than a single embryo is precisely because implantation is difficult.

    multiple implications are the exception, not the rule.
     
  11. ElPigto

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    I'm glad you support IVF, but I do find it interesting that you believe life begins at conception, thus your stance on abortion, but are okay with IVF. Maybe your belief is more based on situation rather than actually caring about life at itself? I say this is since I don't know your stance on rape, incest, mother's life type of situations. Again, where life begins is truly a philosophical question that we can argue back and forth about, but if your stance is that it begins at conception, then that's what you believe.
     
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  12. Xopher

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    Disregard. I saw your answer after I posted.
     
  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I am aware, but the sentence works better as constructed, because I don't have to switch nouns in the middle.
    For clarity, implications are unstated consequences of the stated propositions.
    Why would I be against creating the life outside the womb and then inserting it?
     
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    Can't be surprised this happened and will likely happen more. Natural consequence of banning abortions.
     
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    Well, yea, providing abortions is against the law in Texas.

    I know Democrats are extremely interested in making sure we prosecute all criminals to the fullest extent of the law so they should be happy to see this.
     
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  17. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Natural consequence of banning murder is that people will commit illegal murders. Oh well, better scrap the entire system of law and punishment boys, it turns out making something illegal doesn't completely stop people from doing it.
     
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    A pregnant woman in Georgia who suffered blood clots in her brain, resulting in her being declared completely brain dead, has been kept alive on life support despite her family's wishes due to the state's strict abortion laws.

    Adriana Smith, 30, a mother and registered nurse from Atlanta, began experiencing intense headaches last September when she was nine weeks pregnant. After she sought treatment at a local hospital, doctors discovered that she had blood clots in her brain and was soon sent home with medication, according to WXIA-TV in Atlanta.

    "They gave her some medication, but they didn't do any tests. No CT scan," April Newkirk, Smith's mother, told 11Alive. "If they had done that or kept her overnight, they would have caught it. It could have been prevented."

    The following morning, Smith woke up gasping for air and her boyfriend said he heard what sounded like gargling noises. He immediately called 911, and she was transferred to Emory Decatur prior to being transferred to Emory University Hospital — the latter of which was where Smith was employed as a nurse.

    "They asked me if I would agree to a procedure to relieve the pressure, and I said yes," Newkirk said. "Then they called me back and said they couldn't do it."


    Smith would eventually be declared brain dead, and as of Wednesday, has been hooked up to life-saving machines for more than 90 days. She has since been moved to Emory Midtown for their excellent obstetric care. Her family, however, questions the politics of the situation.

    According to her family, doctors are reportedly waiting until the fetus is at 32 weeks of gestation, which won't happen for months as Smith is only 21 weeks pregnant. Doctors have told her family that they are required under Georgia's heartbeat law to maintain life support until the fetus reaches viability.

    Newkirk told WXIA-TV that the decision has been very traumatic for their family — both for the health of the baby and Smith's condition.

    "She's pregnant with my grandson," Newkirk said. "But he may be blind, may not be able to walk, may not survive once he's born. This decision should've been left to us. Now we're left wondering what kind of life he'll have—and we're going to be the ones raising him."

    Georgia's Heartbeat Law was signed by Gov. Brian Kemp in 2019 and outlaws abortions after a fetal heartbeat can be detected, typically around six weeks of pregnancy. A trial judge struck down the law, but the Georgia Supreme Court reinstated it last year.

    after all this, they’ll then hit them with the astronomical medical bill…these are wicked people
     
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