[Pain] HUGE, self-inflicted Recession incoming due to Trump/Musk

Always with the negativity

 

I think it will be good for the party long-term, but bad for the old guard. We'd be served well by some older members falling on the sword and letting younger dems take over the party.

 

I wouldn't go that far, unless you just mean as minority leader. He should step down from leadership. I think he should retire and not run in 2028. He'd definitely be vulnerable if he was up for re-election next year.

 

I mean from the position of leadership.

There is something to be said for experience and consistency - but not when it becomes stagnant.

 

Trump started talking about tariffs and protectionism after a trip to the Soviet Union in July, 1987. In Sept 1987, he literally put ads in major newspapers about Japan and Europe paying back the U.S. He’s been spouting Russian talking points for nearly 40 years.

 

If you think tariffs are only costing millions, I don't think you really understand the full impact of them.

 

Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who has been the target of scathing criticism from members of his own party after voting for a Republican-drafted stopgap spending bill that cut many nondefense programs, says things are looking good for the Democratic Party, which he says has “a real direction now.”

Schumer told The New York Times that President Trump’s agenda of slashing the federal government to pave the way for trillions of dollars in tax cuts has underscored the Democratic Party’s identity as the party of workers, even though some Democrats fear that’s no longer seen as true.

“I don’t think we have an authenticity problem,” Schumer told the Times’s Lulu Garcia-Navarro.

“We have a real direction now. I feel good about it,” the embattled leader proclaimed.

“First, you gotta look at who the Democratic Party is and who the Republican Party is,” he argued. “We are the party of working people. We feel that very, very strongly. That’s who we have always been.”

Some progressives, including Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), however, have warned the Democratic Party has drifted away from working-class Americans, citing that shift as why the party lost the White House and Senate in the 2024 election.


Sanders, the ranking member of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, accused Democrats in Novemberof abandoning the working class and their party’s leaders of defending the “status quo.”

“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said in a statement after the election.

Brown argued on the social platform X earlier this month that “the Democratic Party’s reputation has become toxic” and that it no longer represented workers.

“We must reckon with how far our party has strayed from our New Deal roots. How we see ourselves — the party of the people, the party of the working class and the middle class — no longer matches up with what most voters think,” he said.

When Garcia-Navarro noted to Schumer that Americans don’t view the Democratic Party as representing workers, Schumer appeared to concede the point but asserted that it’s repositioning itself.

“That’s right, and that’s where we’re moving. That’s where we have to move,” he said.

Schumer argued the Democratic Party’s values never changed but that its messaging became muddled in recent years.

He acknowledged that his message that Republicans want to cut health care and other social services to pay for tax cuts for billionaires isn’t new, but he asserted that it drifted from Democrats’ focus and wasn’t emphasized as much as it should have been.

“We lost it,” he said. “We always cared about the working people. But in the last few years, while we did a lot for working people, here’s what we didn’t do: We didn’t tell people about it.

“We thought, just by legislating, people would know about it. They don’t!” he said, summing up what he sees as one of the party’s biggest mistakes while former President Biden was in office.

he says this as the Democratic party’s favorability has fallen to historic lows

 

Always with the stupidity.

 

They're suspiciously bad at this, aren't they?

 

Always with the intellectual dishonesty

 

The auto industry is going to take a huge hit. Not only with the tariffs with Canada and Mexico but also with the overall tariffs on steel and aluminum. If tariffs last a month I expect layoffs to incur. Dumb

 

Every Democrat over 70 probably needs to go

Rocket River

 

All this from Schumer. He's the guy who rips a toxic puffer and says he brought the fresh jasmine, "And doesn't it smell great?"

 

I’ve been saying this for years. It’s not just the working class. They were abandoned years ago. It’s the entire middle class. They’ve been getting squeezed for a couple decades. The democrats switched to corporatism in the 90s under Clinton. They signal liberalism by being a little more socially liberal than republicans were.
Then Trump came along and spoke to those people. He didn’t do a damn thing for them, but he did a little tap dance for them.
We know two of largest problems - housing and medical cost. Why are they never seriously addressed?

 

Bernie Sanders and maybe Elizabeth Warren notwithstanding. Imperfect, but they want the right things.

These old Democrats clinging to power by brushing aside those who need a clearer lane. Anyone remember Leslie Stahl interviewing Pelosi a few years ago?

Stahl: "And such and so."
Pelosi: "Yes, yes, such and so."
Stahl: "And this."
Pelosi: "And maybe that, too, yes."
Stahl: "And how about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?"
Pelosi: "F*** that b***h!"
Stahl: (taken aback) "Well, got-damn, wasn't expecting that."

 

Bernie is an independent and I think Warren should do the same

Rocket River

 

Everyone at the age of 70 needs to stop working. Period. Regardless of industry.

 

There are two things we need to set on
1. What is too young to work
2. What is too old to work

I legit feel like no kid under 14 should be trying to ink out of living
earning money etc for essentials
and
No one over 65 should either

Rocket River

 

i don't mind young folks working. however, the hours need to make sense. ain't no way someone under 18 should be working more than 20 hrs a week.

young people should somewhat work so they themselves can buy and enjoy things. can't always rely on parents' money to go to the movies or the mall all the times.