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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. hlmbasketball

    hlmbasketball Member

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    I see you think your a Jamie Foxx or a Dave Chappelle....MR FUNNY MAN!

    Out of the players you mentioned, Jalen is the youngest and most inexpensive. So, I'd take him NOW at $35M vs the $50M - $60M look and Ant are being paid.
     
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    Jalen can go 100 out of a 100 and DD will still find fault. For some reason he just hates Jalen.

    He say he doesn't but if it WALKS like Duck and SOUNDS like a Duck....we'll its a Duck!
     
  3. Believe It!

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    Whole family style dinner of Crow!
     
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    Devin Booker is gonna be 30 next year, why do you expect 24 yr old Jalen to be better than him? Thats just not a fair comparison DB is already in his prime Jalen hasnt yet entered his.

    However Jalen is indeed gonna be better than Devin Booker, at his age Jalen has been better. 23 yr old Jalen is superior to 23 yr old Booker if you do a stats comparison, and we all know Jalen is more athletic, cheaper and plays better defense too.
     
  6. astrosrule

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    Jalen is not better than booker at 23, that’s asinine. Booker put up a 109 TS+ that season. Only in your world is 21 pts on -5 efficiency better than 27 on +9.
     
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    Jalen would probably be a 28 ppg scorer on a 20 win team.
     
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    On +9 efficiency? Even you don’t think that.
     
  9. roslolian

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    The way stats tracking in Bball reference works Jalen and Booker were 23 yrs old in their 22 yr old years. Look at this year being Jalen's "22" year.

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bookede01.html

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenja05.html

    Booker shot 32% from 3 and played bad defense at the same age as Jalen.
     
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    Relative ts is more relevant for different eras. You can just use regular ts.

    But Green with no obligations to put our energy on defense and a free flowing offense that allows him to do whatever ya his efficiency would be higher also.


    Green is more efficient when has a flow with the ball in his hands and on a team that has other talented guys that need the ball it breaks his flow more. It's part of his growth getting used to playing with other talented scorers.
     
  11. roslolian

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    only +5 efficieny not +9. Jalen is trending up he would narrow that down even more.
     
  12. astrosrule

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    That’s still a ten point gap…..not one or two or three, TEN.
     
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    Jalen Green 54.7 TS
    Devin Booker 58.4 TS

    What 10 pt gap are you saying?
     
  14. astrosrule

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    Look at TS+, that’s the number that matters. It normalized to league average. Jalen is at 95 this year, so 5 below the league average. Booker was at 104 that year, so 4 above league average.
     
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    Which site do you use for that?
     
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    Fuuck booker, booker suucks.

    Unless we trade for him, then i will think he was always amazing.
     
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    Bballreference
     
  18. roslolian

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    Ok I looked it up this a wrong understanding because you are comparing Jalen today to Booker in the past. They have different leagues and diff league averages.

    You should just use normal TS% because Jalen league average today is not Booker's league average 7 yrs ago.
     
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    Completely wrong. The reason you use TS+ is to normalize it. If you use regular TS you don’t account for changes in the league, officiating, etc. same reason in baseball you use ERA+, etc.
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    Ya changes in the league....

    There is year to year variance that is merely due to noise. In 7 years the difference is probably just noise.


    And 10 pt gap is misleading as the normalized numbers have smaller degrees of difference between each whole number increment than regular ts%. They aren't rh same units. So it isn't +10 ts% better.

    Relative ts has more meaning with different eras in the league. Booker entered the NBA in the same 3>2 analytics era that almost entirely eliminated the long 2 which is the biggest accounting from 90 and aughts ts% to the modern league.
     

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