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2025 Astros Minor League Thread

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  1. tellitlikeitis

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    Houston Astros Top 30, from Baseball America

    Obviously, with trades and IFA signings, the Prospect Handbook is out of date because it goes to press early in the offseason.

    Book Top 30 with grades and risk

    1. Jacob Melton, 55/High
    2. Brice Matthews, 55/High
    3. Zach Dezenzo, 50/Medium
    4. Walker Janek, 50/High
    5. Miguel Ullola, 50/High
    6. Ryan Forcucci, 55/Extreme
    7. Shay Whitcomb, 45/Medium
    8. A.J. Blubaugh, 45/High
    9. Ethan Pecko, 45/High
    10. Anderson Brito, 50/Extreme
    11. Luis Baez, 50/Extreme
    12. Ryan Gusto, 40/Medium
    13. Jackson Nezuh, 45/High
    14. Joseph Sullivan, 45/High
    15. Parker Smith, 45/High
    16. Zach Cole, 50/Extreme
    17. Pedro Leon, 40/Medium
    18. Colton Gordon, 40/Medium
    19. Jose Fleury, 45/High
    20. James Hicks, 40/High
    21. Kenedy Corona, 40/High
    22. Andrew Taylor, 40/High
    23. Michael Knorr, 40/High
    24. Alonzo Tredwell, 45/Extreme
    25. Chase Jaworsky, 40/High
    26. Caden Powell, 45/Extreme
    27. Jancel Villaroel, 45/Extreme
    28. Cole Hertzler, 40/High
    29. Alex Santos. 40/High
    30. Bryce Mayer, 40/High

    Current top 30 on the BA website

    1. Cam Smith
    2. Melton
    3. Matthews
    4. Dezenzo
    5. Janek
    6. Ullola
    7. Forcucci
    8. Whitcomb
    9. Blubaugh
    10. Pecko
    11. Brito
    12. Kevin Alvarez - could hit his way into the top 10 by the end of the year
    13. Baez
    14. Gusto
    15. Nezuh
    16. Sullivan
    17. Smith
    18. Cole
    19. Leon
    20. Gordon
    21. Fleury
    22. Hicks
    23. Corona
    24. Taylor
    25. Knorr
    26. Tredwell
    27. Jaworsky
    28. Powell
    29. Villarroel
    30. Hertzler
     
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    They’re very low on Jaworsky and Gomez but other than that not much to quibble with.

    I am hoping Kevin Alvarez was already brought over to the US complex. That would be a great sign for how good he is and how quickly they’ll get him into full season ball.
     
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    Interview with Gavin Dickey

     
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    Really informative and good read, thanks for posting that.

    It seems like Dana Brown’s main organizational change in player development is to promote guys faster, but other than that they’re still focused on the same things. I hope they are able to improve their international position player pipeline.

    Nice to see someone from the front office be seemingly honest and have it reflect most of what the knowledgeable posters in this thread have been saying. Sounds like the farm is doing just fine.

    As the season draws closer, I am getting really really optimistic about the Astros farm system. That happens to me every year to a certain degree but it’s more pronounced this season. They will have a lot of guys repeating levels and a lot of really high ceiling position player prospects throughout their system.
     
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    I think with Cam Smith looking like a bona fide top prospect, we are right up there in the top 10-15 range of systems across MLB. It's silly at this point to question the 1-3 Astros pitching prospects every year who have helium inside the organization. This year it's Brito and Pecko. Notable you never hear Blubaugh's name floated around these conversations with Astros development staff. I expect both Brito and Pecko to become MOR starters at this point. They seem excited about Matthews and Dezenzo too, which is encouraging. That right there is potentially 5 MLB players in our system, each of whom could become a star. That's a good system.
     
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    Right. For example I would be way more down on the system if they were hyping guys like Baez (limited defensively which dramatically increases bust risk) or Sacco and Hamilton (high floor/low ceiling Kessinger/Fontana types). The guys getting hype are guys that have legit chances to be core/star players.

    Im very curious in Blubaugh. I’ve seen him enough in person and his numbers were good enough that I’m really high on him and surprised he’s not more in the spotlight.
     
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    I have them much too high on Ulolla (l like him as a bullpen guy) and Alvarez (unestablished all bat guy).
     
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    Someone brought up in another thread (where the conversation was around Melton) the idea of starting a thread about all the “everything but a hit tool” prospects Houston has had. Here’s my list of prospects who had 50+ grades in arm, speed, glove, and power (but <50 grade hit tool) since 2012:

    Jonathan Villar
    Domingo Santana (questionable on speed)
    Ariel Ovando
    Brett Phillips (had it all as a prospect)
    Derek Fisher
    Freudis Nova
    Ross Adolph
    Jordan Brewer
    Pedro Leon*
    Zach Daniels*
    Tyler Whitaker*
    Cristian Gonzalez*
    Jose Siri
    Matthew Barefoot
    Logan Cerny*
    Corey Julks (questionable on glove)
    Joey Loperfido
    Kenedy Corona*
    Zach Cole*
    Camilo Diaz*
    Jacob Melton*
    Nehomar Ochoa* (questionable speed)
    Brice Matthews*

    *still in the system

    Guys who “had it all”: George Springer, Carlos Correa, Teoscar Hernandez, Alex Bregman, Kyle Tucker
     
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    For being a guy I'd never even heard of before in the Astros dev operations, he's refreshingly self-aware and well spoken. That was a fantastic and informative interview. If the system/development matches his level of optimism the Astros are in a great place.
     
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    Wow. I can definitely see why @Wulaw Horn and others keep pounding on 'hit tool'. That is a long list of formerly (or still) exciting players, the best of whom barely reached MLB mediocrity.
     
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    Springer and Teoscar Hernandez are the 2 guys who had high k rates in the minors that went on to be good big league hitters. It’s really rare for a guy who strikes out >25% of the time over any significant stretch in the minors to end up being a good MLB hitter. Good news is Melton strikes out less than both those guys did in the minors, but it’s easy to see the similarities between Jacob Melton and Derek Fisher.

    Brett Phillips is the one guy who seemed to have all the tools but didn’t pan out.

    Prospects with a 50+ grade hit tool on MLB.com’s current Astros top prospects list:

    Cam Smith
    Walker Janek
    Kevin Alvarez
    Chase Jaworsky
    Joseph Sullivan
     
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    Based on. All these names, my conclusion is that prospects with both 50+ hit tool.and 50+ power are very rare and should be targeted.

    Teach/determine defense in the system.
     
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    Hahah I’m pretty sure that’s what every team does (try to find players who can hit for power and get on base).
     
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    Eh, I don’t think that’s what he’s saying necessarily. a guy that busted- AJ Reed- he had hit and power tool both and he went what- mid 2nd round? Because teams still value (overvalue?) defense ahead of hit imo.
     
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    But AJ Reed sucked. Targeting guys like him doesn’t seem like a great strategy.

    I think if there’s a takeaway, it’s that the bust rate for prospects with strikeout problems is extremely high, even if a player has massive power and/or defensive value. So if a team is going to target those guys they need a boatload of them.

    Guys with 50+ hit/power grades are not undervalued. Theres no market inefficiency there. If there’s a miss in the market, it might be that certain guys without power have the ability to add it (advances in body type and swing analysis) and guys who have certain issues with strikeouts can be fixed (I.e. finding the George Springer’s vs the Derek Fisher’s).
     
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    Actually, it looked like for a while at least the Astros were coveting speed and defense along with power at the expense of hit tool which is why the system has so many of those guys.

    Maybe I'm wrong.

    But Kevin Alvarez and Luis Baez are examples of that changing.
     
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    The Astros did draft a lot of power/speed guys with strikeout risk, but that’s because they have not had top draft picks; guys with 50+ hit/power tools are usually gone in the first 20 picks. Heck, most of the players with even just a 50+ grade hit tools are gone in the first 2 rounds, because that skill is the most highly valued in the game. Notice the two guys you listed (Baez and Alvarez) are international signees.

    Two other potential areas of inefficiency: targeting late bloomers and guys with injury history (which is part of what I think Houston does on the pitching side), but adding those guys is trading one set of risks for another.
     
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    Expected on all but Jaworsky, I will watch him a little closer. Thanks.
     
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    Couple of interesting tweets from the Astros Player Dev account. SS Wilton Lara has been promoted from the DSL to the FCL.
     
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    Alimber has gased it over 100 before, was up to 102 on some side throws last season. Amazingly he doesn't lose movement - its a work in progress with him.

    Lara looks like he should be in class with my 12 year old.
     
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