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  1. Rocket River

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

    Dark Enlightenment


    History
    Neo-reactionaries are an informal community of bloggers and political theorists who have been active since the 2000s. Steve Sailer is a contemporary forerunner of the ideology, which also draws influence from philosophers such as Thomas Carlyle and Julius Evola.[5]

    In 2007 and 2008, software engineer Curtis Yarvin, writing under the pen name Mencius Moldbug, articulated what would develop into Dark Enlightenment thinking. Yarvin's theories were elaborated and expanded by philosopher Nick Land, who first coined the term Dark Enlightenment in his essay of the same name.[5][6]

    By mid-2017, NRx had moved to forums such as the Social Matter online forum, the Hestia Society, and Thermidor Magazine. In 2021, Yarvin appeared on Fox News' "Tucker Carlson Today", where he discussed the United States' withdrawal from Afghanistan and his concept of the "Cathedral", which he claims to be the current aggregation of political power and influential institutions that is controlling the country.[7]

    Beliefs
    Central to Nick Land's ideas is a belief in freedom's incompatibility with democracy. Land drew inspiration from libertarians such as Peter Thiel, as indicated in his essay The Dark Enlightenment.[8][non-primary source needed] The Dark Enlightenment has been described by journalists and commentators as alt-right and neo-fascist.[3][9] A 2016 article in New York magazine notes that "Neoreaction has a number of different strains, but perhaps the most important is a form of post-libertarian futurism that, realizing that libertarians aren't likely to win any elections, argues against democracy in favor of authoritarian forms of government."[10]

    Andy Beckett stated that "NRx" supporters "believe in the replacement of modern nation-states, democracy and government bureaucracies by authoritarian city states, which on neoreaction blogs sound as much like idealised medieval kingdoms as they do modern enclaves such as Singapore."[11] The modern solution devised by Mencius Moldbug is 'A Formalist Manifesto',[12] which states that Neocameralism is the replacement for democracy where it gives everyone many options for 'Exit' out of a undesirable autocracy and its taxes, rules and regulations, you don't get to vote because in the neoreactionary ideal state they oppose democracy because it's viewed as being anti-freedom, 'Exit' is where you vote with your feet, you are free to bring your labor to another 'gov-corp' or governmental corporation, a complex patchwork of small, and competing, autonomous city-states. Nick Land reiterates this with a political idea, 'No Voice, Free Exit' which he describes as "If gov-corp doesn’t deliver acceptable value for its taxes (sovereign rent), they can notify its customer service function, and if necessary take their custom elsewhere. Gov-corp would concentrate upon running an efficient, attractive, vital, clean, and secure country, of a kind that is able to draw customers."[8]

    The 'gov-corps' or what are according to NRx thinkers like Curtis Yarvin, they are autonomous city-states or microstates, assuming they all agree on their national borders, their level of deterrence is perfect, and there are no democracies which could rival them, Mencius Moldbug suggests the new states are about stopping any aggression or violence. According to Curtis Yarvin his thesis is that Neocameralism is safer than democracy, "The business of a sovcorp is to make money by deterring aggression. Since human aggression is a serious problem, preventing it should be a good business... A rational monopoly neostate still has no motivation to personally abuse its patrons. It would always rather tax than abuse, and why not just forget the abuse altogether?".[13]

    According to criminal justice professor George Michael, neoreaction seeks to save its ideal of Western civilization through adoption of a monarchical, or CEO model of government to replace democracy. It also embraces the notion of "acceleration", first articulated by Vladimir Lenin as "worse is better", but in the neoreaction version, the creation and promotion of ever more societal crises hastens the adoption of the neoreactive state instead of a communist one.[14]




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    Interesting Stuff
    Just heard the term today
    Anyone else every heard of this?

    Rocket River
     
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  2. JuanValdez

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    I didn't have a name for it. Anyway, I don't subscribe.
     
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    Do the proponents get the irony of the oxymoronic name? Or does that detail go over their head like so much else?

    It sounds like every dystopian cyberpunk novel from the 80's/90's - is it like the people who watch The Boys and don't realize that Homelander is the bad guy? The lesson these people took from the Alien movies was how much they wanted to work for Weyland-Yutani when the grew up? Snow Crash is a cautionary tale, not a vision of utopia.
     
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    Never heard of this.
     
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    I had not either. I heard the term in a podcast
    So I googled it. Alledgedly some prominent people are followers/believers in this

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    Tech Execs Are Pushing Trump to Build ‘Freedom Cities’ Run by Corporations

    A billionaire-backed push to develop libertarian enclaves in Central America is being imported back to the United States, where its proponents want to lay the groundwork for their own privately run, corporately governed cities.

    A new lobbying group, dubbed the Freedom Cities Coalition, wants to convince President Trump and Congress to authorize the creation of new special development zones within the U.S. These zones would allow wealthy investors to write their own laws and set up their own governance structures which would be corporately controlled and wouldn’t involve a traditional bureaucracy. The new zones could also serve as a testbed for weird new technologies without the need for government oversight.

    Wired recently reported that the Coalition was drafting congressional legislation that would allow it to establish a network of its new “cities.” One of the chief motivations for the creation of these communities is so that new “scientific” and technological development initiatives can be carried out without the need for regulatory oversight. The outlet writes:


    According to interviews and presentations viewed by WIRED, the goal of these cities would be to have places where anti-aging clinical trials, nuclear reactor startups, and building construction can proceed without having to get prior approval from agencies like the Food and Drug Administration, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and the Environmental Protection Agency.

    The Freedom Cities Coalition is a project of NeWay Capital, a company that has been centrally involved in the development of Prospera, a private, “free market,” crypto-friendly enclave in Honduras. Prospera was made possible by a special regulatory setup, dubbed a special economic zone (or ZEDE), that was established in the country in 2013 in the wake of a U.S.-backed coup. ZEDEs allow for private actors to essentially move into geographically partitioned areas and write their own regulatory and judicial rules.

    Prospera is also part of something called the “Network State,” an anarcho-capitalist ideological movement, backed by tech-billionaires, that seeks to create privately run cities with native cryptocurrencies.

    Wired reports on the efforts of the Freedom Cities Coalition to encourage President Trump and Congress to enshrine their project into federal law. Currently, the lobbyists are pursuing a number of different strategies to get some kind of law authorizing the cities’ development on the books:

    Trey Goff, the chief of staff of the startup nation known as Próspera, tells WIRED that he and other Próspera representatives working under an advocacy group called the Freedom Cities Coalition have been meeting with the Trump administration about the idea in recent weeks. He claims the administration has been very receptive.

    On its website, the Freedom Coalition claims that while “other nations are creating new centers of innovation, America’s regulatory environment is holding back progress.” The site continues:

    “Freedom Cities are America’s boldest solution to unleash our nation’s full potential. By creating zones of regulatory clarity and economic dynamism, these specially designated areas strip away decades of bureaucratic buildup while maintaining essential protections, allowing entrepreneurs and builders to move at the speed of human ingenuity rather than the pace of paperwork.”

    Where will America’s new “Freedom Cities” be built? It seems quite possible that the Network Staters want to build them in our national parks. On its website, the Freedom City Coalition notes that 28 percent of U.S. land is “federally owned and ready for innovative development.” It doesn’t specify what kind of federal land is “ready” for this “innovation,” but most of the government land that isn’t used for farming and energy development is used for wildlife conservation.

    It’s also worth noting that, in a video released during the presidential campaign, Trump openly spoke about using protected federal lands to build “Freedom Cities.” “Past generations of Americans pursued big dreams and daring projects that once seemed absolutely impossible,” Trump said in the video. “They pushed across an unsettled continent and built new cities in the wild frontier.”

    Trump then called for the use of protected federal lands to develop ten new urban metropolises. These developments, he said, would “re-open the frontier, reignite American imagination, and give hundreds of thousands of young people and other people a new shot at home ownership and, in fact, the American dream.”

    https://gizmodo.com/tech-execs-are-...freedom-cities-run-by-corporations-2000574510
     
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    "The Wild Tech" on Federal Land. Just do it. Could be a haven for open nudity, p*rn, transgender weird attachments, techno drugs, etc. Enter at your own risk.
     
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