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The silver lining

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Plowman, Mar 10, 2025.

  1. daywalker02

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    Well, there ain't a technical term for that.....for not being developed enough.....whatever reasons.....

    There are 2 major scenarios......he develops somewhere else.....or he outta this league and goes overseas.

    Udoka somehow ignites a light in him.....3rd.

     
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  2. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    To me, Cam not playing is mostly this. I thought Cam played very well in late December through most of January. He had a bad 7-10 game stretch and he's back to the deep bench. I'm fine with adjusting players minutes based on performance. Long term, I think Cam Whitmore will be better than Jeff Green so I'd probably play Cam over Green, but short term playing Jeff Green isn't a bad move.
     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    Lol people thought Ime would actually give Cam a chance just because that would be the obvious and correct thing to do.
     
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  4. Stephen_A

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    because you’re a vet coach filled with basketball knowledge and wisdom. What does a proper rotation look like Bobby? With your history of evaluating talent, overreaction, and lack of analysis, it’s safe to say you don’t know what the fu$k ur talking about.
     
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  5. 9baller

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    It looks like Cam will be shipped out at some point. And then he will probably blow up and be the guy we "missed out" on.
     
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  6. Stephen_A

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    Cam doesn’t defend well. It’s in the details. Time and time again. Examples here:

    Squares up but doesn’t move feet. Guards with hands as the guy is coming down on a fast break.

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    Same possession. Got easily blown by.
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    Same game. Lazy running back on the break. Easy 2. IMG_2573.png
     
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  8. BallSoHarden

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    It's not like Cam got a ton of minutes w Jabari out, w Jabari back and Amen out, they will likely just switch roles. Do not underestimate Ime running Jabari, Dillon, Tate, Tari out there big minutes Cam really needs to get some minutes though, 2 minutes in the first game without Amen is not a good look. We will likely not get value from him if we move him. We need to figure out how to develop Cam and Reed (next year).
     
  9. Stephen_A

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    Same game. Another defensive mistake going under the screen. And no communication with Sengun on switching or staying.

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  10. DaDakota

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    Jesus,

    We can pick plays where Jalen looks terrible on D, or Alpi, or Brooks.....ridiculous.....that they suck on D and still play....right?

    That is the issue here, Cam and Reed should have been playing if your trying to develop a championship squad.

    Neither FVV, Tate, or Brooks will be here when we are a contender, the sooner we move them aside the sooner we get to compete.

    DD
     
  11. Stephen_A

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    nope. I don’t have time to show and teach you every game and post all of his games here. This is no different than any analysis you see on ESPN or random youtube videos fans love to post. No different than you liking a post of a video of your favorite player dunking. Is that cherry picking? I just showed you 3 plays in the same game where he simply didn’t do his job. And this is repeated game after game. Do you understand this or do you not understand? The question was raised on why he doesn’t play. Given how poorly he plays defense this is likely the reason why besides being selfish with the ball.
     
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  12. Bobbythegreat

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    A proper rotation is nothing but Aaron Holiday, Jeff Green, and JaeSean Tate playing 40 minutes a game while the young players you are trying to develop just watch of course!

    My guy, do you think it's surprising to me that you don't know what I'm talking about? Let me know when you actually do follow along in conversation, that would be the shocking news.

    Rum along little one, you've thrown enough tantrums lately.
     
  13. Stephen_A

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    You’re a mad lad. You sad lad.
     
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    I see that really stuck with you... let it go hero, it's not that serious.
     
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    i do not believe the low iq stuff
    cam has iq
    he just chooses to play selfishly
    he has also demonstrated extreme immaturity when ime has gotten on him
    if he cannot work on the things ime is complaining about then he is demonstrating stubbornness
    stubbornness does not work in the nba
    always have to be willing to adapt and learn new things to grow as a player

    yes there is a point when a coach can force a guy into the wrong role and play to said players weakness instead of his strength and then refuse to play him because said player does not have the skill set the coach wants on court
    but that is not what is happening here

    ime is coaching this team to win games
    ime has a championship pedigree
    he knows what it takes to win at this level
    he is coaching the team to win games

    cam is refusing to buy in
    this is on cam

    if you really are a good player
    you need to be able to work things out and respond postively to being coached up
    and work and practice on the things that are keeping you from playing


    on a side note

    cams turnover rate and steal rate are very good

    he has loads of potential
    needs a change of attitude
    that is all on cam to accomplish
    hope he does because the sooner he does the sooner we can move on from jalen
     
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  16. Joe Joe

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    I would not punt the next two seasons. The Rockets' young players may experience average or above-average internal growth. Having 2 veterans in the rotation is not the kiss of death regarding development.

    There is this team in Houston that typically has 2, sometimes 3 vets in the rotation, and they've had the most internal growth of any team in the past two seasons.

    Amen or Sengun make a big leap in ability next season, and the Rockets have a chance at building a strong contender. Well, that is provided they don't throw away two good players for no reason except they are good and older than 25.
     
  17. SamFisher

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    This is pretty hilarious, like I told, you most of the guys who are "blocking" Cam Whitmore's development are 23 years old or younger.

    Green, Thompson, Eason, Smith - these are just much better players by any measure. Frankly you are arguing more taht they should sit (FVV is not even remotely the same type of role, frankly even Brooks skill set - elite 3&D player & 5 position defender - is not very similar to Cam, and he just turned the ripe old age of 29. He will be doing this for years to come).

    Basically you are saying the Rockets should go back to tanking in order to get the 9th best player on the team up to the 7th or 8th spot. I'm sure you can understand why most people find this insane, especially given that Whitmore simply hasn't been very good for a year.

    He tried to do the "I will own summer league" thing and that didn't work out, didn't do much in preseason, he started out missing 20 straight shots or whatever in the regular season. His attitude issues clearly persisted, he got sent to the minors, he was so-so and still prone to defensive lapses and visually obvious bouts of DGAF.

    Look at Thompson, he can't get off the floor, because he plays the right way. Look at Cam, he can't get on the floor , because he plays the wrong way. Maybe Cam should play the right way and not the wrong way.
     
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  18. ROXTXIA

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    Hey, guys...... @Stephen_A @Bobbythegreat

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  19. Joe Joe

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    Actual EPM has JSJ as slightly better than Cam's, with Cam having a higher projected EPM. Cam may be the worst, but acting like JSJ has separated himself a great deal just isn't the case. JSJ and Cam aren't driving forces in whether the Rockets win or lose. JSJ is a much more consistent player than Cam. Cam is like Green in that he has excellent and horrible games so he probably helps the Rockets win more, but also contributes to losses more often than JSJ.
     
  20. heypartner

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    Seems most fans can’t see our steady progress on half-court offense … which Adams even mentioned in his last post-game. Keep an eye out for ATO plays we run vs Man defense. That’s where Coach has been trickling it out this season.

    To improve our Xs & Os, we have to improve Team IQ. (And sure, staff IQ, too.) Our sets that include split actions (both Princeton and Zoom, for starters), we need repetition…a lot of repetition, apparently, in order to see our missed options on film, discuss, practice, then use, make mistakes, rinse and repeat.

    When we rarely see our best action in the game flow (vs out of timeout), it’s a tell that the players either aren’t comfortable or haven’t bought in vs what they know and use already.

    And we are also expanding our offense vs zone. Which is more thinking

    Team IQ Development is a Real Goal

    Offensive team development is just simply more important than Cam.

    And competitive 7-game playoff series are more important for development of a team and coaches, offense and defense, that carries into the Summer, next year, etc.

    Playing Cam, just to be playing him, can stagnate our offensive motion development, resulting in limited team learning, no playoffs or quick exit as 8th seed, etc.

    This is all about raising Team IQ. This is what championship development looks like, imso.
     
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