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The Arrest of Mahmoud Khalil

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by JuanValdez, Mar 10, 2025.

  1. durvasa

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    It is the case that some protesters were acting like idiots and harassing Jewish students (though whether they were being harassed because they were Jewish or they just happened to be Jewish is not so clear in the instances I'm aware of). It's also the case that some protesters were holding up signs expressing solidarity with Hamas and other militant groups.

    But just because this guy is the face of the student protesters, it wouldn't be fair to say he is personally responsible for the worst of their actions. Again, waiting for specific examples of what this guy did to warrant being arrested beyond some vague assertions about him being "aligned" with Hamas.
     
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    but she don't flow to me.

     
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    Trump administration’s reasons for detaining Mahmoud Khalil threaten free speech | The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression


    Trump administration’s reasons for detaining Mahmoud Khalil threaten free speech
    by FIRE

    March 11, 2025

    It’s been three days since the government arrested and detained Mahmoud Khalil for deportation. This afternoon, the administration finally stated the basis for its actions. Its explanation threatens the free speech of millions of people.

    Yesterday, an administration official told The Free Press, “The allegation here is not that [Khalil] was breaking the law.” This was confirmed today by White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt, who announced Khalil is being targeted under a law that she characterized as allowing the secretary of state to personally deem individuals “adversarial to the foreign policy and national security interests of the United States of America.”

    Leavitt said Khalil “sid[ed] with terrorists,” “organized group protests” that “disrupted college campus classes and harassed Jewish American students and made them feel unsafe,” and distributed “pro-Hamas propaganda.” She also said the Department of Homeland Security is trying to track down “other individuals who have engaged in pro-Hamas activity” at Columbia University.

    The law Leavitt appears to be citing requires the secretary of state to have "reasonable ground to believe” the person’s “presence or activities in the United States . . . would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.”

    The administration is wielding this standard — deportation for people whose activities could cause “serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States” — to arrest and detain an individual graduate student. In explaining how he met this standard, the administration did not allege Khalil committed a crime. But it did explicitly cite the content of his speech, characterizing it as “anti-American” and “pro-Hamas.” Protesting government policy is protected by the First Amendment, as is rhetorical support for a terrorist group (if not directly coordinated with it, which the government has not alleged here).

    Disrupting college classes and harassing students is not protected expression, to be sure, and Leavitt stated that Khalil organized protests that may have done so. But the administration has not detailed Khalil’s specific actions with respect to those protests, so it remains unclear whether Khalil himself violated any campus rules against discriminatory harassment. Whether any such violation justifies detention and deportation is a separate question. In either adjudication, Khalil must be afforded due process.

    There are millions of people lawfully present in the United States without citizenship. The administration’s actions will cause them to self-censor rather than risk government retaliation. Lawful permanent residents and students on visas will fear a knock on the door simply for speaking their minds.

    If constitutionally protected speech may render someone deportable by the secretary of state, the administration has free rein to arrest and detain any non-citizen whose speech the government dislikes. The inherent vagueness of the “adversarial to the foreign policy and national security interests” standard does not provide notice as to what speech is or is not prohibited. The administration’s use of it will foster a culture of self-censorship and fear.

    This is America. We don't throw people in detention centers because of their politics. Doing so betrays our national commitment to freedom of speech.
     
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  4. JuanValdez

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    I'm not a law-talking guy or anything, but I should hope that at a minimum the government would need probable cause before making an arrest, charge him before putting him in a jail cell, and actually do the paperwork to formally revoke his permanent residency before they can take him into the immigration detention and removal system.
     
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    They harassing the Jew kids breh
     
  7. durvasa

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    You speak of “they” when this thread is about Mahmoud Khalil.
     
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    I agree the unitary executive theory would not get five votes (which is absurd because it should only ever get none), but there are five or six votes for various actions that will create a unitary executive in practice.
     
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    Revoke his green card and deport his sorry butt. Liberals in here don’t know this but even if you are a naturalized citizen, you can still be strip of your citizenship and deport to your country of origin if you commit a crime and violate the oath that you took when you became a citizen. This pro Hamas clown is not even a naturalized citizen but a green card holder.
     
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    Do you have evidence he was doing this?
     
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    I think you need to get laid more that tinman.
     
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    Am I celebrating the deportation of a individual just protesting the genocide of his family?

    People who lack touch with humanity and are isolated have these thoughts. So you are expressing more incel vibes with your inability to perform basic empathy skills.

    So please get laid. And no I'm not going to believe any story you say about your personal life.
     
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    The government does
     
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    It’s the ghey they.
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    So does this mean the executive branch can with their own standards determine who is supporting "terrorism"?

    Does this mean with this new precedent a liberal president how can designate being vocal about lower taxes for the wealthy as a terroristic rhetoric?
     
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    People like you really need to get laid. You need to touch a human....consensually of course and I'm afraid with people like you I have to make that clear.

    The inability to express basic empathy skills is a sign of isolation and a lack of human interaction. You are showing all the signs of incel behavior. You are isolated. You need to meet people. You need to find a way to get laid for goodness sakes.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    People also need to understand a decent portion of these protestors are Jewish themselves.

    Isolated incidents of mostly bad faith actors can be found but the vast majority of tension between Palestinian activists and some students was due to them saying inflammatory things about Palestinians and expressing praise for the IDF operation in Gaza.

    These college students don't "hate Jews". It's a very absurd thing to believe. College students are typically a lot more leftist. That means they sincerely believe like I do that Israel is a Aparthied state. That is why they protest. Judiasm is something the pro-Israeli defenders attach to the actions of Israel. The vast majority of Pro-Palestinian protesters don't attach Judiasm to the Aparthied regime.

    There are some bad faith actors like Jackson Hinkle who express bad faith support for Palestinians and are actually anti-semetic and hide their hatred of Jews with being against the state of Israel. Those people exist but they mostly are right wing grifters.
     
  19. pgabriel

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    No, it specifically says he isn't.

    Yesterday, an administration official told The Free Press, “The allegation here is not that [Khalil] was breaking the law.” This was confirmed today by White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt, who announced Khalil is being targeted under a law that she characterized as allowing the secretary of state to personally deem individuals “adversarial to the foreign policy and national security interests of the United States of America.”

    https://www.thefire.org/news/trump-...detaining-mahmoud-khalil-threaten-free-speech

    Edit do you believe he can't criticize the government? That's deportable?
     
  20. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    The missus at home never complains and always smiling. People in here know that it’s you who needs to get laid. Lol
     
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